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Identity Wounds & Self-Imposed Healing:Why Fixing Yourself Deepens Suffering

Peter Crone
Peter Crone
May 20, 2026
7 min read
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What happens when you spend two decades trying to fix yourself and nothing works?

In this live conversation, a man named Phillip brings two decades of unresolved pain: childhood sexual abuse, opioid addiction, spinal surgeries, and an identity rooted in shame so deep he feels rage when his own daughters try to hug him. He has done everything the healing industrial complex recommends—journaling, therapy, mindfulness, church—yet remains stuck. The core insight that emerges from this session dismantles a fundamental assumption most people carry into their healing work: the belief that something is actually broken inside them.

Why is every addiction a solution rather than a problem?

Peter Crone's foundational teaching here challenges the language we inherit around behaviors we judge as destructive. When Phillip describes eating food that makes him sick five or six times a day, and the shame spiral that follows, Crone offers a precise reframe: "None of those are the problem. They are the solution." This is not permission to continue the behavior—it is an invitation to understand what psychological function the behavior serves. Phillip's compulsive eating, his past opioid use, his sexual shame—each one is solving something. The body and psyche do not generate destructive behaviors in a vacuum. They generate behaviors in service of an underlying wound or belief.

The addiction is the medicine Phillip's system found for an intolerable internal state. Until that intolerable state is addressed at the identity level, any attempt to remove the behavior creates what Crone calls "a position of discomfort." The nervous system rebels. Resistance intensifies. Why? Because the original wound is still there, still demanding resolution.

How does resistance to a behavior actually amplify the desire for it?

Crone articulates a principle that contradicts the typical "willpower and discipline" approach to addiction recovery: "The much you try to avoid the solutions, the much the inclination is towards that." This is not a moral failing on Phillip's part—it is a law of human psychology. When the conscious mind says "I should not do this," and the unconscious system says "I need this to survive the internal state I'm in," the unconscious always wins.

Phillip describes this trap directly: he has moments of bliss and clarity where everything makes sense, but then finds himself back in the compulsive eating cycle. The shame that follows amplifies the desire for the soothing behavior. It is a tightening spiral. Every time he tries to fix himself through willpower or judgment, he reinforces the very identity that generated the behavior in the first place.

What is the difference between a limiting belief and the deeper code of identity?

This distinction is critical and separates surface-level personal development work from the kind of identity-level shift Phillip experiences in this session. A limiting belief is something you think—"I'm not good enough," "I can't receive love." These can be reframed. But beneath those thoughts is what Crone calls "the code of who you are for yourself." For Phillip, that code was installed at age 14 when he began sexually abusing his younger siblings, was caught, and made a psychological vow: I am bad. I am dangerous. I must prove I am not what I actually am.

From that moment forward, every achievement, every act of service to others, every moment of love was filtered through this identity. When his daughters wanted to hug him, his body registered it not as love but as proximity to the badness he had buried. Rage erupted because, at the identity level, he was trying to protect them from him. His love was weaponized by his shame.

Healing this is not about changing the belief—it is about dissolving the identity code itself. You cannot think your way out of something that is operating at the level of who you believe yourself to be.

Why does the pursuit of healing perpetuate the idea that something is broken?

This is perhaps the most destabilizing insight in the conversation. Phillip, despite his miraculous life—his music, his devotion to his children, his service work with homeless people, his teaching—still carries an assumption: "I need to be healed." The language of healing assumes a baseline of brokenness. Every time he engages in another therapy, another technique, another self-help protocol, he is subconsciously reinforcing the message: Something about me requires fixing.

Crone points directly at this: "The pursuit of healing perpetuates the idea that something is broken." This is not to dismiss trauma or the real suffering Phillip has endured. It is to point out that the framework itself—"I am broken and must be healed"—is part of the trap. Phillip's nature, as Crone tells him, is freedom and wholeness. The abuse happened to him; it did not happen as him. The shame is not who he is; it is a protective identity he constructed.

Once Phillip recognizes this distinction, the entire healing enterprise becomes irrelevant. There is nothing to heal because there was never anything fundamentally broken. What there is, instead, is an identity that needs to be seen clearly and released.

What is the source of the rage Phillip felt when his daughters tried to hug him?

One of the most concrete moments in the session involves Phillip's inability to receive physical affection from his children without feeling anger. This is not random; it is a symptom of the identity code operating beneath conscious awareness. At age 14, Phillip became a perpetrator. He then spent decades proving he was not a perpetrator. He became a teacher, a servant, a devoted father. But the original wound—the belief that he was fundamentally dangerous and bad—never dissolved. It just got buried under layers of compensation.

When his daughters approached him with love, his nervous system registered it as a threat. The closeness, the innocent touch—these activated the core belief: If they really knew who I am, they would recoil. The rage was not about them. It was his system protecting them from the badness he believed he contained. He was rejecting them before they could reject him. He was protecting them from him.

Only by recognizing this as an identity operating on outdated information can the pattern be interrupted. Phillip is not a bad person who must manage his anger better. Phillip is a person living under the weight of an identity he adopted to make sense of what happened.

How does moving from unconscious reaction to conscious creation shift your life?

This is the ultimate stakes of the conversation. Crone introduces a fundamental distinction: most human beings live in unconscious reaction to their circumstances and internal states. A trigger activates, and the old pattern runs. Phillip eats to soothe. Phillip feels shame. Phillip eats again. The loop is unconscious—it happens to him.

Conscious creation means something different. It means recognizing the identity running beneath the behavior, seeing that identity clearly for what it is (a protective story, not the truth), and then choosing action from a place of awareness rather than compulsion. Phillip does not need to be healed from eating. He needs to be aware of why he eats and what identity is driving that need. From that awareness, choice becomes possible.

In Crone's formulation, "your nature is freedom." But psychological belief systems—especially those rooted in childhood trauma and shame—create a prison disguised as protection. The way out is not through more discipline, more healing techniques, or more self-improvement. It is through clear seeing: recognizing the identity, understanding what it was trying to protect, and realizing that you are not that identity. You are the awareness that sees it.

Where to go from here?

If you recognize yourself in Phillip's story—if you have done the therapy and the mindfulness and the journaling and still feel stuck—the invitation is to look deeper than your behaviors and beliefs. Look at the identity they are protecting. Ask yourself: Who did I decide I was, and when? What was I trying to survive or protect myself from? Is that true now? This is not work that happens in a self-help workbook. It requires the kind of direct, honest inquiry that Crone models in this session. Find someone or something that can hold you in that inquiry without rushing to fix you, and see what becomes possible when you realize there was never anything to fix.

Transcript

[0:00] You never ever wanted to be healed.

[0:05] I want to feel healed. I just I just

[0:08] want to be, you know,

[0:09] >> [music]

[0:09] >> I want to stop uh

[0:11] I want to stop running. I can feel where

[0:14] I'm not taking [music] care of myself

[0:16] and I'm I'm eating food that makes me

[0:17] sick. It's a self-soothing like five,

[0:19] six times in a day.

[0:22] And then I have all this shame around

[0:24] it.

[0:24] >> What I want you to realize, Philip, none

[0:26] of those are the problem. They are the

[0:29] [music] solution.

[0:30] I just want to be happy. Your nature is

[0:33] freedom. But you're psychologically,

[0:35] emotionally telling yourself that you

[0:37] can't do something, then because of our

[0:40] nature of freedom, the inclination is

[0:42] towards that. That's the frustrating

[0:44] thing is that I'm I'm having this new

[0:46] awareness and I have moments where I

[0:48] feel bliss and beauty and I write these

[0:50] songs and everything makes sense. Most

[0:53] human beings in their identity are

[0:55] defined by something they're not. I'm

[0:58] not good enough. I'm not loved.

[1:02] I'm not valued. I feel the one of the

[1:05] most pivotal moments that has defined

[1:07] Philip's persona is

[1:13] Dude, I'm just I'm cracking up, man.

[1:16] When I when I got the email from

[1:18] Cambria,

[1:19] I brought my whole family and all the

[1:21] kids and I read the email and my

[1:24] 11-year-old was like, "Dad, you're about

[1:26] to get crowned.

[1:28] For real." And that's what we say in our

[1:31] house and we'll watch highlights and

[1:32] I'll be like, "Babe, come watch this

[1:34] Danica Patrick. She's about to get

[1:35] crowned. Watch this."

[1:37] And my my daughter my 14-year-old be

[1:39] like, "She got crowned. Get crowned."

[1:42] It's like a thing in our house.

[1:45] I love it. It sounds like you have a lot

[1:47] of fun in that house. I'm really really

[1:49] I'm just touched and flattered that

[1:52] uh my work has meant that much to you.

[1:54] You obviously have such a a spirit. I

[1:56] know you're not without your challenges

[1:58] and we'll get to that today and I I

[2:00] appreciate the video you submitted which

[2:02] everybody does, you know, prior to

[2:03] coming on the on the show and I just

[2:06] feel

[2:07] very fortunate that

[2:09] you know

[2:10] such lovely beautiful bright souls like

[2:13] yourself have found my work and it's

[2:16] it's helped in whatever way it has and

[2:18] let's see if we can't do a little bit of

[2:20] fine-tuning, shall we? Yeah, dude. Yeah.

[2:24] Please, dude. And I I definitely love

[2:26] the fact that your kids are using the

[2:28] expression you got croned.

[2:31] Yeah. They're like get croned, Dad. Get

[2:34] croned. This is going to be a one off.

[2:37] Yeah. on YouTube and my son will be like

[2:40] get croned. Get croned. Get croned.

[2:44] We're now going to have to start a

[2:45] hashtag. #gotcroned. Yes, dude. It's

[2:48] like not got milk, but it's got

[2:50] [laughter] croned. Got croned.

[2:52] Yeah, dude. Amazing. I've gone on so

[2:55] many walks with you, bro, just listening

[2:56] to every podcast I can get my hands on.

[2:59] I think I first heard you on the know

[3:02] thyself.

[3:03] Oh, yeah. Okay.

[3:04] >> 90 seconds in, dude, I've been looking.

[3:07] I've been looking.

[3:09] >> [clears throat]

[3:10] >> I've been looking, man.

[3:12] And

[3:13] uh then I find you who's like yeah

[3:17] it's not outside of you and I'm LIKE UH

[3:20] GOSH.

[3:23] IT'S JUST BEEN AMAZING, DUDE, for 2

[3:25] years now just going on walks and

[3:26] listening to your podcasts, your

[3:28] interviews

[3:30] and and I teach a home school group that

[3:32] I volunteered to teach and I work with

[3:34] the homeless and I just and I speak at

[3:36] schools and I've been trying to teach

[3:38] your teachings and I've been trying to

[3:41] convey what you convey

[3:43] and

[3:45] yeah, so this is just a gift. So, thank

[3:48] you.

[3:49] Well, thank you. You are clearly a very

[3:52] beautiful joyous spirit and I think this

[3:54] is going to be a wonderful conversation.

[3:56] Thank you

[3:57] for the kind words. Thank you for

[3:59] including me in your family, in your

[4:00] community, the work that you do with

[4:02] others. Obviously it shows the size of

[4:04] your heart. And um

[4:06] I know that you're a musician and one of

[4:08] the things that

[4:10] really touched me about the video you

[4:11] submitted is that you said

[4:14] your motto and see see if I can remember

[4:17] it cuz I know you're very kind in the

[4:18] way you remember my quotes, but it's

[4:20] like if nobody loves you, I do or

[4:22] something like that. Yeah, if no one

[4:23] else loves you, I do. That's my motto.

[4:25] >> Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's that's

[4:28] pretty damn evident from the start of

[4:30] this conversation. So

[4:32] um I've got a little inclination that

[4:34] maybe just maybe some of that love

[4:38] could be potentially redirected towards

[4:40] yourself, but let's see how we do. Does

[4:43] that make sense? Yeah, that does make

[4:45] sense. Yeah.

[4:46] >> Yeah.

[4:46] So tell me I I for the you know,

[4:48] beautiful millions of people out there

[4:50] in the world who hopefully your story

[4:52] will touch cuz this video and all of

[4:55] these episodes just seem to be getting

[4:56] exponentially

[4:58] more uh

[5:00] um

[5:00] momentum, which is really touching cuz I

[5:03] know it's changing people's lives and I

[5:05] just want to first of all acknowledge

[5:06] you for

[5:07] coming on here, wanting to have a

[5:09] conversation and share your story cuz as

[5:11] human beings I believe that one of the

[5:13] things

[5:14] uh that changes

[5:16] um

[5:16] our lives more than anything is learning

[5:19] and vicariously experiencing other

[5:21] people's stories, woes, and

[5:23] breakthroughs.

[5:24] So give for myself as a refresher bit, I

[5:27] just watched your video again and the

[5:29] viewing audience just a little bit of uh

[5:32] you know, background on Phillip and the

[5:33] things you struggle with cuz I know like

[5:35] all of us it hasn't been that easy.

[5:38] Yeah, thank you, man. Thank you. Um

[5:41] I've honestly had like a magical life,

[5:44] bro.

[5:45] Um

[5:46] I've had so many miracles in my life, so

[5:49] many good things happen.

[5:51] Um

[5:51] >> Yeah.

[5:52] And uh

[5:53] and which is kind of been the

[5:54] frustrating part of this healing journey

[5:57] is

[5:58] being aware that with Anyways.

[6:01] Yeah, so when I was really little, we

[6:03] were in a car accident. I was 19 months

[6:05] old. Well, with me and my couple of of

[6:07] my brothers and our mom passed in that

[6:09] car accident.

[6:10] Your brothers passed, too? Or no, they

[6:12] were okay?

[6:13] Just my mom. My baby brother was in the

[6:15] front seat. He was 6 months old. This

[6:17] was back in '91, so the the seating laws

[6:20] were different. And he had serious brain

[6:23] damage, so he was

[6:25] They thought he'd be a vegetable. I

[6:26] mean, he's a whole miracle story, but he

[6:28] was really badly damaged. We He stayed

[6:31] in the hospital when we went to Oklahoma

[6:34] to bury mom. Mhm.

[6:37] And uh I don't remember

[6:40] the car accident now,

[6:42] but my mom who adopted me told me that I

[6:44] would tell her what happened in the car

[6:46] and that

[6:47] um

[6:49] you know,

[6:50] that mom's head was down and that her

[6:52] eyes were like blinking a lot. And so I

[6:55] don't remember that, but for a time, I

[6:58] guess I remembered it cuz my mom who

[6:59] adopted me would say, "Yeah, you would

[7:01] you told me this happened." And

[7:03] I do remember going to court because we

[7:05] had to demonstrate that we could

[7:07] unbuckle ourselves cuz that was part of

[7:09] the court proceedings was why were the

[7:11] kids unbuckled? And you know, the other

[7:13] side trying to find fault with

[7:16] with our mom, I guess.

[7:18] So that was an experience and then my

[7:20] dad remarried.

[7:22] And the woman he had married he married

[7:24] adopted me and my brothers. Mhm. Um

[7:27] she's an amazing woman.

[7:28] Um but it was really difficult

[7:32] in that household cuz my my dad had five

[7:34] boys and then his wife passed and he

[7:36] remarries and he he adopted his new

[7:39] wife's daughter who became my sister.

[7:42] And she adopted me and my brothers. And

[7:44] then they had two more daughters

[7:45] together. So there was eight kids total.

[7:47] >> Wow. Okay. And I'm the fifth

[7:50] >> you and you and two You were the

[7:51] youngest?

[7:53] No, I was the fourth of the five boys.

[7:55] >> Oh, I got it. Got it. Okay.

[7:57] But [clears throat] but you're So when

[7:58] the car accident, there were two

[7:59] brothers and the other two were just at

[8:00] home or school or whatever.

[8:02] >> One was at school and one was with a

[8:03] babysitter, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So

[8:05] carry on. So big family. Yeah, big

[8:08] family and you know, um

[8:12] my mom and my dad did the best they

[8:13] could. I mean, I look back and they're

[8:15] just My dad's so hard working. He was a

[8:18] bishop in our church from when I was in

[8:20] kindergarten to high school. Mhm. Always

[8:23] working. My mom always making sure we

[8:25] had meals and I always had birthday

[8:27] presents and Christmas presents and new

[8:29] clothes for school.

[8:31] Um but as I look back on my on my

[8:34] childhood,

[8:36] it was beautiful and I had a great

[8:38] childhood, but I know looking back when

[8:39] I was a kid, I was very scared a lot.

[8:42] Um

[8:44] There is There was physical abuse in the

[8:46] home.

[8:47] Um

[8:49] When I was three and a half or four, um

[8:52] there was an experience with my mom

[8:54] where I was pushed down the stairs and

[8:56] my collarbone broke.

[8:58] Um by your mom by the Okay. Yeah, by by

[9:01] yeah, by my mom. So the physical abuse

[9:04] came from the parents, older brothers,

[9:06] both? Yeah, from my mom, yeah. Okay.

[9:09] Okay. Sorry. Um No, that's okay.

[9:12] Uh

[9:13] And uh I just I remember I mean, there's

[9:16] so many there's so many good things to

[9:17] remember, too. Like But I I went to bed.

[9:21] I I remember I'd wake up cold. Sometimes

[9:23] I'd wrap up in the in the uh

[9:26] um

[9:28] It's okay.

[9:31] It's okay.

[9:33] I remember waking up in the middle of

[9:34] the night a lot looking for something

[9:36] dry to sleep in. So, I tried either the

[9:39] shower curtain or

[9:42] um like we had this cover on our couch

[9:44] that was too big for the couch. So,

[9:46] sometimes I'd go wrap up in that.

[9:48] Um

[9:49] Yeah. Really just a you know, a busy

[9:51] life, a lot of things, a lot of great

[9:53] things in life. Like my childhood was

[9:55] beautiful in so many ways.

[9:57] But, I do remember as a kid just kind of

[9:59] surviving and um

[10:01] Yeah. hungry a lot. Um

[10:04] One time I had snuck, this crazy drawer

[10:07] where we'd put leftover

[10:09] um ketchup packets or barbecue sauce

[10:12] packets from McDonald's. Mhm. And one

[10:14] time I had gotten caught sneaking those

[10:17] in the bathroom and I would eat eat the

[10:19] barbecue sauce and I'd put it in the

[10:22] laundry hamper.

[10:24] >> [laughter]

[10:25] >> Good luck What better way to destroy the

[10:28] evidence?

[10:28] >> Yeah, I mean, just genius.

[10:31] >> [laughter]

[10:33] >> Uh and I got in pretty big trouble for

[10:35] that. Um Yeah, especially if it was with

[10:37] the whites.

[10:38] >> [laughter]

[10:39] >> Yeah.

[10:41] Barbecue sauce.

[10:43] >> [laughter]

[10:43] >> Yeah.

[10:44] Um we grew up I grew up in a Mormon home

[10:47] which had had its beautiful parts in so

[10:49] many ways, you know.

[10:50] >> Mhm. Um but definitely a lot of high

[10:53] standards. Yeah. Um

[10:56] The other thing that was that was really

[10:58] difficult when I was 13, looking back

[11:01] now I can see what was happening. I was

[11:03] being groomed by a woman

[11:05] uh in her 40s

[11:07] um who was Just a friend of the family

[11:10] or Yeah. [snorts]

[11:11] Okay. And she would touch me

[11:15] um

[11:16] and then it it eventually led when I was

[11:18] 14, there was a um

[11:20] a a sexual experience Mhm. that I I

[11:24] didn't I didn't understand as a

[11:26] 14-year-old. Yeah. She went and

[11:29] confessed to our local church leaders

[11:32] and they brought me in

[11:33] and I was put on what's called

[11:35] probation.

[11:37] So, I wasn't allowed to take the

[11:39] sacrament. I wasn't allowed to pray in

[11:41] public.

[11:43] Um

[11:44] So, I just remember feeling really sick.

[11:46] Like, I didn't want to eat.

[11:48] Um

[11:49] I just felt really guilty.

[11:51] Um

[11:53] Uh

[11:55] And then uh

[11:56] and then I went on a mission for my

[11:58] church.

[11:59] Mhm. Um cuz I really believed it. I I I

[12:03] really felt like and I can see now where

[12:07] by doing things in the church, it would

[12:08] get the approval of my community, my

[12:12] parents, my family. Yeah. Um and I gave

[12:15] it everything I had and I and I and I

[12:17] believed in it and I really felt like

[12:19] the best thing I can do for the world is

[12:21] go knock doors and help people and give

[12:23] them this message. And

[12:25] um it was on my mission where I first

[12:28] hurt my back. And it wasn't even a big

[12:30] deal. I was just jumping over a ditch

[12:31] and I felt something in my back and I

[12:33] came home and I had my first back

[12:35] surgery.

[12:36] Um

[12:38] And then,

[12:39] you know, I I married my high school

[12:41] sweetheart. We have a beautiful family.

[12:43] Mhm. And I I joined the army when I was

[12:47] 30.

[12:48] And um I came home from army training

[12:52] and then I decided to quit my job cuz I

[12:54] realized I was miserable and I started

[12:55] doing music full-time.

[12:57] And that's when I first started really

[12:59] sitting with all these things that had

[13:01] happened cuz I I really want to make

[13:03] music that helps people. Yeah.

[13:05] I I really

[13:07] I want to I want to help people heal as

[13:09] best I can. Um especially my own

[13:12] siblings who I know are

[13:14] all carrying different things and um

[13:17] Yeah. I was realizing

[13:20] the religion I'm in, I'm limited in how

[13:22] I can help people. Yeah. I just want to

[13:24] be able to help people. Mhm. And the the

[13:28] addicts that I'm

[13:29] I'm wor-

[13:30] sitting with and the homeless that I'm

[13:32] visiting and

[13:34] and and the people in these mental

[13:35] health facilities, what I'm offering

[13:37] with religion isn't

[13:40] what they need right now. Like they need

[13:41] something else and I started to realize

[13:43] I didn't really have anything to help

[13:45] them with. Mhm. And that's when I

[13:47] started realizing I didn't even know how

[13:49] to help myself really. Like

[13:51] >> Yeah.

[13:52] And so I tried to process these things

[13:54] and

[13:56] I just it was a really scary thing to

[13:58] start to realize as I did more research

[14:00] into my own religion that it's not what

[14:02] I thought it was and it was this

[14:04] scary scary experience because I was

[14:07] worried would my wife see me the same if

[14:09] I'm not Mormon. Would my in-laws accept

[14:11] me? Would Yeah.

[14:13] >> This is the the one thing I was good at

[14:15] was being

[14:16] a member of this church and teaching and

[14:19] sharing.

[14:20] And now I'm realizing that none of it is

[14:22] what I thought it was and I started to

[14:25] hit me when I talked to a uh

[14:27] a trauma therapist and she said

[14:31] cuz I had always carried the guilt of

[14:33] that experience those experiences when I

[14:34] was a teenager

[14:36] and she said, "No, you were abused. Like

[14:38] that's you didn't you weren't able to

[14:40] consent." And I was like 31 years old

[14:43] when this hit me and I was like

[14:46] "Oh my gosh. Like what? What is this?"

[14:50] I really thought that I was guilty

[14:52] before God that I had

[14:55] >> done this thing and

[14:57] that's when I pulled my kids out of the

[14:59] church and I and I started to get angry

[15:01] about all this and I started to

[15:04] And now I'm at a place where

[15:07] I just I want to feel healed. I just

[15:18] Um

[15:19] I just I just want to be, you know, I

[15:22] want to stop uh

[15:23] I want to stop running and

[15:25] >> Yeah.

[15:28] Um I can feel where I'm not taking care

[15:31] of myself and I'm I'm eating food that

[15:33] makes me sick and sometimes I'll have

[15:35] three or four Dr. Peppers in a day. Mhm.

[15:38] And and and sometimes like a a sexual

[15:40] release or self-soothing like Mhm. five,

[15:43] six times in a day. Mhm. And then I have

[15:46] all this shame around it and

[15:49] and uh

[15:51] I I I want to help others heal. I want

[15:54] to heal and I've been listening to you

[15:56] for years and I that's been the

[15:58] frustrating thing for me is I I know

[16:01] like what happened happened and couldn't

[16:03] have happened any other way because it

[16:04] didn't and Mhm.

[16:05] >> this is all just a story and and you

[16:09] know, these are all gifts and every

[16:11] trigger is a gift and yes

[16:14] Mhm. and why am I back in the drive-thru

[16:16] again and like why Mhm. Uh and I can

[16:19] look back on these events in my life and

[16:21] I can also see miracles. Mhm.

[16:24] >> And so it's like

[16:26] like pick a story, bro. Like

[16:28] Like I just

[16:30] I just want to be happy and I just

[16:32] um

[16:33] you know, I

[16:35] uh

[16:36] I I just I want to I want to be and and

[16:39] >> Yeah.

[16:40] and that's the frustrating thing is that

[16:43] I'm I'm having this new awareness and I

[16:45] have moments where I feel bliss and

[16:48] beauty and I write these songs and

[16:51] everything makes sense and it's like, oh

[16:53] my god. Like being in that car with my

[16:55] mother, what a gift that was. I got to

[16:58] be with her when she moved on. Like a

[17:00] lot of people don't get that gift and

[17:03] Mhm.

[17:03] >> I'm trying I've been trying to reframe

[17:04] all these things and and make them

[17:06] beautiful. Yeah. And um

[17:10] but then I then I find myself back

[17:13] to using marijuana every day and just

[17:16] wanting to feel good, just wanting

[17:18] Mhm. believing these lies that I know

[17:20] are lies, that if I just take some THC

[17:23] uh then I can relax. And if I just

[17:26] drink the Dr. Pepper uh

[17:28] then I'll feel better. And almost this

[17:31] feeling like if I don't get it, like

[17:33] this

[17:34] like I don't know, like this scary

[17:37] feeling. Yeah. I know that's not

[17:39] healthy.

[17:41] And I just want to be real. I want to be

[17:43] honest, and I want to honestly help

[17:45] people without an agenda. I just want to

[17:48] be able to

[17:49] And when I when I began my music

[17:51] project, it's called Love the World.

[17:53] That's what my LLC is registered as. I

[17:56] kept going back between heal the world

[17:58] or love the world. Should it be heal the

[18:00] world? And finally I was like I don't

[18:02] even know how to heal myself. Like

[18:05] >> [laughter]

[18:05] >> Yeah, yeah. heal the world. Like, come

[18:07] on, bro. So I was like, I don't know how

[18:09] to heal nobody, but I know how to love.

[18:12] I know how to stick with people. I know

[18:13] how to hold people.

[18:15] Yeah.

[18:17] I just for some reason, I don't know why

[18:18] I haven't found that for myself yet.

[18:20] Even though intellectually I

[18:23] I've listened all your stuff, and I've

[18:25] the Tony Robbins and Brené Brown, and

[18:27] I've done ketamine, and I've met with a

[18:28] therapist for years, and the life

[18:30] coaching, and the

[18:32] the journaling, and the mindfulness, and

[18:34] the like

[18:35] Uh

[18:36] what am I missing? And I and I hear you

[18:38] in my head, the only thing that's wrong

[18:40] with you is the fact that you think

[18:41] something's wrong with you. And I cry.

[18:44] And that changed me. Yeah. And then I

[18:46] come back to this

[18:48] state again. And then I got Joe Dispenza

[18:50] in my head, like, yeah, that's the

[18:51] familiar pathway. So try something new.

[18:55] You know what I mean? Like

[18:58] Peter

[18:59] I I just need to get crowned, man. I was

[19:01] going to say, that's the only thing

[19:02] missing. That's the only thing missing

[19:04] is being crowned, right? Let's see if we

[19:06] can't handle that today.

[19:08] Listen, you are a sweetheart. I love the

[19:10] energy. I love the enthusiasm. You

[19:12] clearly have a boundless capacity to

[19:14] love, which is beautiful.

[19:16] Um just again for the reference for

[19:18] people listening, you know, you talked

[19:20] about Dr. Pepper, you know, sexual

[19:22] release, whether that's through porn or

[19:24] just self, you know, um satisfaction.

[19:27] You had uh junk food, but then

[19:30] you have made steps, right? Cuz you were

[19:32] at one point addicted to opioids. Yes.

[19:36] Okay.

[19:36] >> Yeah, and I haven't used those since

[19:38] December of 2023. Which is Yeah,

[19:40] amazing.

[19:41] >> Great. It's Yeah, it's Yeah.

[19:43] Yeah, any other substances?

[19:45] No, like marijuana is I got a a medical

[19:49] marijuana card, and the only other

[19:51] substance is my wife. So, when you say

[19:54] when you when you say porn, like she has

[19:56] been so sweet, so

[20:00] attentive and giving

[20:02] to where I I don't watch porn. I have my

[20:06] own material of my wife. And that is my

[20:10] sexual outlet. It's like my I I call it

[20:13] like my cheat code.

[20:16] But ironically, compared to most men,

[20:19] not cheating cheat code, yeah. Right,

[20:21] yeah. And she's so giving, and every day

[20:24] she's like, "Do you need Do you need

[20:26] something?" Like, "Do you Do you"

[20:28] And I've just I'm at a place where it's

[20:30] like, this isn't on her, like Yeah. It's

[20:33] like

[20:34] you'll never get enough of what almost,

[20:36] you know, works, like you say. So,

[20:38] that's when I knew I I don't know why I

[20:40] keep going. But that's Those are the

[20:42] substances. Marijuana, Dr. Pepper, food,

[20:45] and intimacy with my wife, or

[20:47] intercourse, not intimacy. Yeah, yeah.

[20:49] Okay. Well, I appreciate the

[20:51] vulnerability. I appreciate

[20:54] um your willingness to share your story,

[20:56] and clearly some of the events that have

[20:58] transpired that you shared will have uh

[21:01] contributed to this identity that, you

[21:03] know, I I I love how well versed you are

[21:06] with my work and the quotes, and life

[21:08] will present you with people and

[21:09] circumstances to reveal where you're not

[21:11] free and what happened happened and all

[21:12] the things you said, the only thing you

[21:14] think is wrong with you is thinking

[21:16] there's something wrong with you. So,

[21:17] these are all great, but knowing those

[21:19] things clearly doesn't it it's it

[21:22] they're accurate but insufficient is the

[21:24] way that I put it, right? Meaning that

[21:26] they're not quite getting to the core of

[21:27] what's going on for Philip.

[21:29] So, hopefully today we can um we can

[21:32] access that, okay? Yeah, please, dude.

[21:34] Yes.

[21:36] Let's [ __ ] go.

[21:39] So, [clears throat] a very subtle

[21:40] distinction that I I feel is

[21:44] often

[21:45] um

[21:47] first of all, never discussed and

[21:49] perhaps never even known is with regards

[21:52] to addiction itself. Right? So, if you

[21:54] were to look at weed

[21:57] Dr. Pepper, junk food, sex, how how

[22:00] would you classify those things in the

[22:02] realm of addiction? That they are the

[22:05] what?

[22:07] Uh they are the

[22:09] the fix. They're the They're the

[22:11] addiction. They're the Yeah. So, so

[22:13] typically in the realm of addiction and

[22:15] you know, I've helped people in a a

[22:17] myriad of different ways with all sorts

[22:18] of different substances. Most people

[22:20] will say even think I have an alcohol

[22:22] problem. I have a marijuana problem. I

[22:24] have a cocaine problem, right? So, we

[22:26] tend to look at

[22:28] the substances as {quote} {unquote} the

[22:31] problem. Make sense, right? Like you're

[22:33] whether you're articulating it that way

[22:35] or not, you're looking at, "Okay, I do,

[22:38] you know, relieve myself five times a

[22:39] day. I have three or four Dr. Peppers. I

[22:41] smoke weed every day." They they are

[22:44] albeit perhaps not declared this way,

[22:47] they are perceived as the problem in

[22:49] Philip's life. Correct? Yeah, right.

[22:53] Now, what happens and why this is a

[22:54] powerful distinction is when we look at

[22:56] something as a problem, we generate

[22:58] resistance internally to it.

[23:01] Yeah? Right. Make sense? Whenever we

[23:04] have resistance to something, what that

[23:06] actually does is it exacerbates the

[23:08] desire for it.

[23:11] Yeah, okay. Do you see that? You

[23:13] tracking? Yeah, definitely. Now, the

[23:16] reason we do that is because our essence

[23:18] is freedom.

[23:20] So, think about it this way. If who we

[23:22] are is freedom, meaning we're able to do

[23:24] anything, your nature is freedom,

[23:27] but you're psychologically, emotionally,

[23:30] intellectually telling yourself that you

[23:32] can't do something, then because of our

[23:35] nature of freedom, the inclination is

[23:38] towards that.

[23:39] Do you Do you follow that energetics?

[23:42] >> Oh, okay. So, you're saying

[23:45] I've labeled it as bad, so I don't So, I

[23:48] shouldn't have it, but by saying I

[23:49] shouldn't have it, my soul is like, "No,

[23:52] I'm free. I can have whatever I want."

[23:54] Right. That's the light way of

[23:55] expressing it. So, now, here's the aha

[23:57] moment cuz you're very smart.

[24:00] What I want you to realize, Philip,

[24:02] whether it's sexual addiction, Dr.

[24:04] Pepper, junk food, weed, whatever

[24:07] substance, even back in the day,

[24:08] opioids,

[24:10] listen carefully. None of those are the

[24:12] problem.

[24:14] They are the solution.

[24:21] Now, let that land.

[24:23] Everything that you're partaking in that

[24:25] you call an addiction is not a problem,

[24:27] it's a solution.

[24:33] Okay.

[24:35] I mean, I trust you. I'm going with you

[24:37] on this. Yeah. So, so stay with me.

[24:41] So, if everything that you're choosing

[24:43] unconsciously, so in the world of like

[24:46] ego, we typically are driven by what I

[24:48] call unconscious reactions. So, right

[24:51] now, those solutions that I'm reframing

[24:54] for you are unconscious reactions to the

[24:57] ultimate addiction, which is to the idea

[24:59] of our self.

[25:02] Okay.

[25:03] So Philip at the subconscious level of

[25:06] his own personality will have

[25:09] narratives, pieces of code which we're

[25:11] going to reveal today

[25:13] that generate the internal experience of

[25:15] suffering from which you try to escape.

[25:20] Okay.

[25:20] >> The means of escape is the solution to

[25:23] your suffering.

[25:26] Okay.

[25:27] >> Yeah.

[25:28] Now if we don't deal with the internal

[25:29] suffering, then it doesn't matter how

[25:32] much you try to avoid the solutions,

[25:35] you're being informed by suffering and

[25:38] there is no mammal on the planet that

[25:40] does not try to escape suffering.

[25:43] Right. Okay.

[25:45] So

[25:46] the first reframe for you is your your

[25:49] unconscious programming is doing the the

[25:52] right job.

[25:57] You follow? Meaning So this is a way of

[26:00] acknowledging your conditioning without

[26:02] wanting to perpetuate it or condone it,

[26:04] right? Meaning Oh, Philip at the deepest

[26:07] level and we've got all the evidence, at

[26:09] least I do, as to why your suffering is

[26:12] doing what every human being who suffers

[26:14] does, which is get away from suffering.

[26:18] So

[26:19] in that particular timeline of

[26:22] existence, what you're doing is {quote}

[26:25] correct

[26:27] for the instinct of a mammal.

[26:31] Okay.

[26:33] You follow? Yeah. Okay. So you're

[26:36] >> So first of all what what I'm By doing

[26:38] this, what I want to help you to do is

[26:40] to eradicate, mitigate the judgment and

[26:43] shame that you have about your chosen

[26:46] forms of solution.

[26:48] Yeah. Okay. Does that help soften start

[26:52] to at least go, "Oh, I'm actually doing

[26:55] what any mammal would do when in a

[26:57] position of discomfort? I'm finding

[27:00] comfort." Okay. Yeah.

[27:04] Yeah. So, how does that feel super Yeah,

[27:06] how does that feel?

[27:08] So, it feels like

[27:11] I don't I just feel like I have more

[27:13] compassion for myself. Like So, you're

[27:15] saying I've just been surviving.

[27:17] Correct.

[27:18] >> And none of these things are bad, but

[27:20] No. because I have this subconscious

[27:23] something that's happening, these are

[27:25] naturally a solution for that suffering.

[27:27] Correct.

[27:28] And when you frame it that way, as you

[27:30] just said beautifully, and it you know,

[27:32] it brought up an emotion for you, you

[27:34] can find compassion for yourself. Oh,

[27:37] I'm hurt,

[27:39] suffering, and all I'm doing, albeit at

[27:42] some degree unconsciously,

[27:44] is finding some relief.

[27:48] Yeah. Yeah. With like So, for example,

[27:51] if you're if you're you know, you've got

[27:53] three kids, you said? Five.

[27:55] >> You got You Oh, you got five kids.

[27:57] >> Yeah. Okay, sorry. So, you cuz I know

[27:59] you said the two daughters and the son

[28:00] were saying get cramp. Thank you.

[28:02] Safety in numbers in your family,

[28:04] apparently.

[28:05] >> [laughter]

[28:05] >> All right. So, So, if let's say um you

[28:09] know, your son had burned his finger,

[28:12] right? Just whatever. It was holding

[28:14] trying to make a fire for the family, or

[28:16] was pouring a kettle and grabbed the

[28:18] piece of metal, and then he went to the

[28:20] cold tap.

[28:22] Would you Would you shame him for

[28:24] putting his finger under the cold tap?

[28:26] Oh, no. Of course not. No. Do you see?

[28:30] Yeah.

[28:32] Isn't that Isn't that interesting?

[28:36] Oh my gosh.

[28:38] >> [laughter]

[28:40] >> So, that's level number one, right? So,

[28:43] first of all, huh?

[28:44] No, it just reminded me of Liar Liar

[28:46] with Jim Carrey when the guy walks in on

[28:49] the bathroom and he's like, "What are

[28:50] you doing?" He's like, "I'm kicking my

[28:52] ass. Do you mind?"

[28:54] >> [laughter]

[28:55] >> Yeah, you're very good at that. Welcome

[28:57] to Welcome to your humanity, yeah. I've

[28:59] yet to meet a human being who doesn't at

[29:01] some level beat the [ __ ] out of

[29:02] themselves, yeah. [laughter] Yeah.

[29:05] I'm doing my best to, you know, one mind

[29:08] at a time liberate souls. But anyway,

[29:10] um so, first level, oh my gosh, Philip,

[29:14] albeit not necessarily a conscious

[29:17] choice, which is what we're evolving to

[29:18] versus unconscious reaction, right? We

[29:21] want to move into conscious creation,

[29:23] which we will do by the end of this

[29:24] conversation, you have my word.

[29:26] But right now, we first of all want to

[29:28] see that within the realm of what I call

[29:30] this old operating system of humanity

[29:32] 1.0 mindset,

[29:34] that entire structure of programming is

[29:38] its sole imperative is survival.

[29:41] Now, why is it based in survival?

[29:43] Because the underlying fundamental code

[29:46] is in some sort of inadequacy,

[29:48] insecurity, or scarcity, meaning we're

[29:50] living in a confined view of ourself

[29:54] that creates suffering

[29:56] from which we seek relief.

[30:00] That's just 101 existence. That's a

[30:02] whole world out there, Philip, just not

[30:04] you, right? Yours manifests as what you

[30:06] call, you know, addiction. Someone might

[30:08] be listening to this who's like, "That

[30:10] dude drinks three to four Dr. Pepper's a

[30:12] day? [ __ ] A, welcome to my world,

[30:14] dude." Like, you know, "I'm doing

[30:16] cocaine every hour." Or, you know, I

[30:18] mean, there was There was someone who

[30:19] was drinking 99, you know, Cokes a day

[30:22] that one of my Ayurveda doctors was

[30:23] helping, right? So, relatively speaking,

[30:26] yeah, doesn't really matter. Everybody's

[30:29] got their own form of addiction because,

[30:30] you know, my quotes better than anyone,

[30:32] apparently, and the one I have about

[30:34] addiction is there's no greater

[30:36] addiction than the idea of ourself.

[30:39] Mhm.

[30:41] That's your addiction. Yeah. Yeah.

[30:44] What we want to be able to do today is

[30:46] we want to reveal what is that idea of

[30:49] Philip that creates the suffering that

[30:51] is the precursor to the unconscious draw

[30:54] naturally to a form of relief which you

[30:57] found in you know these four sort of

[31:01] predominant choices, right? Right. And

[31:03] and the other thing that really hurts

[31:05] me, Peter, which I know you're about to

[31:08] help me with is my my my 9-year-old

[31:11] daughter or my 6-year-old daughter.

[31:13] They will come to me and give me love.

[31:15] They will kiss me on the cheek.

[31:17] And they will hug me and I'll just feel

[31:20] in my body like anger.

[31:23] And I I I don't like I don't understand

[31:26] why my sweet little girls are just

[31:28] trying to love their dad and I feel this

[31:32] frustration, this Yeah. anger and I

[31:36] don't get it. Like what?

[31:38] >> That's okay. We'll get to it. Don't

[31:39] worry. It's very clear. It'll all become

[31:42] crystal clear by the time I'm

[31:44] I'm done with your Dr. Pepper drinking

[31:45] ass.

[31:46] >> [laughter]

[31:49] >> Such a wild guy. Three to four cans a

[31:51] day. Oh my god, you're out of control.

[31:53] >> [laughter]

[31:54] >> I live on the wild side, man.

[31:57] Exactly.

[31:59] I should introduce you to some people

[32:00] I've helped. No.

[32:02] All kidding aside, I don't want to in

[32:04] any way adjust you you're just so fun to

[32:05] be with and I don't want to dismiss the

[32:07] you know the the

[32:09] the struggles that you've been through

[32:10] and the the the amount of love that you

[32:13] still bring to other people even in the

[32:14] face of your own suffering. It's it's

[32:16] really inspiring. So Thanks, bro.

[32:18] >> But now at least you're starting to see

[32:19] the cascade of how

[32:21] subconscious constraints lead to

[32:23] thoughts, feelings, and then behaviors

[32:25] um or actions which create outcomes,

[32:28] right? Yeah. So in this case what we're

[32:30] doing is I'm reverse engineering which I

[32:32] do with everybody back to the

[32:33] subconscious programming that

[32:35] fundamentally got triggered, not

[32:38] created, but stimulated in childhood,

[32:40] right? This is the much more esoteric

[32:42] understanding for the more advanced

[32:44] listener. Is my assertion is that we are

[32:47] here to transcend the constraints with

[32:50] which we arrived.

[32:52] Okay, it's not because your mom died in

[32:55] a car accident when you're 19 months.

[32:56] It's not because you were groomed and

[32:58] then sexually abused by a woman when you

[33:00] were 14. Those are

[33:03] the {quote} {unquote} catalysts

[33:06] to trigger the underlying constraints

[33:09] with which the soul Philip arrived that

[33:12] he's here to fundamentally transcend. I

[33:15] know that's

[33:17] quite a mouthful, but you're familiar

[33:18] with my work, so hopefully you're

[33:19] tracking. Oh, yeah, dude. I've been

[33:21] looking forward to this part for years,

[33:22] bro.

[33:23] >> [laughter]

[33:24] >> Okay.

[33:25] We could even argue that this was the

[33:27] reason you incarnated to be groomed.

[33:29] Dude, I'm I'm here for it, man.

[33:32] I [laughter and gasps] know.

[33:33] I know. Okay, beautiful. So,

[33:35] let's go back to those events and

[33:37] they're certainly two or three and it'll

[33:38] also tie into why your beautiful six and

[33:40] nine-year-old daughters come and kiss

[33:42] you on the cheek and yet you feel

[33:44] internally a form of resistance, which

[33:46] we already we we already spoke to,

[33:49] right? Right? We've got the the

[33:51] substances and you've got resistance.

[33:52] You're In your own words, you said,

[33:54] "Yeah, you're seeing them as bad,

[33:56] right?" Yeah.

[33:58] And so now the frustration or even the

[34:00] anger that you experience when your two

[34:02] beautiful daughters come to give you

[34:03] love will make a lot of sense by the

[34:06] time that you start to see who is Philip

[34:08] in the way that he has defined himself.

[34:11] Okay? Okay.

[34:13] So now, ironically, it wasn't so much

[34:16] what I hear in your story. It wasn't so

[34:18] much,

[34:20] you know, both events that you have kind

[34:22] of highlighted, the mom dying, which is

[34:24] of course tragic and and and I I'm

[34:26] really sorry you went through that, and

[34:28] certainly the sexual abuse, which I've

[34:30] helped a a of people go through.

[34:32] I feel the one of the most pivotal

[34:34] moments actually that has defined

[34:36] Philip's persona is the when you got

[34:41] um

[34:42] excommunicated shall we say the probate

[34:44] that you had to experience from the

[34:45] church.

[34:47] Yeah.

[34:49] Because what was that like? What when

[34:51] that 14-year-old and it's coming to the

[34:53] surface now for you, what what did you

[34:56] decide at that moment that that meant

[34:58] about you?

[35:00] Um

[35:01] that I was

[35:03] not worthy.

[35:04] Not worthy is a nice way of saying it.

[35:06] What else? That I was I was bad. That I

[35:09] was

[35:10] evil or

[35:12] Yeah. Not good.

[35:15] When I listen to your video, it gives me

[35:17] chills cuz for whatever reasons that I'm

[35:19] blessed with the ability to listen to a

[35:21] story and immediately hear the

[35:22] underlying subconscious constraints that

[35:24] confined people

[35:26] all I could hear

[35:28] was somebody who fundamentally thinks

[35:30] they're a bad person.

[35:36] What is that like to live inside of

[35:38] that, Philip?

[35:42] It's okay. Just let let it all out. Keep

[35:44] feeling it.

[35:50] It's okay.

[35:54] That who you are for yourself is bad and

[35:56] relative to your community

[35:59] your family

[36:01] Yeah, it's it's scary. It feels like I'm

[36:03] constantly going to get found out. Like

[36:05] people are

[36:07] constantly going to like when when they

[36:08] do they won't like me anymore. They

[36:10] won't love me. It's it's it's

[36:12] exhausting.

[36:14] I keep having to prove something to

[36:16] people.

[36:17] Yeah.

[36:18] Yeah. Yeah.

[36:22] Yeah, I get it. Just stay there for a

[36:24] minute. Like you've been walking around

[36:27] your how old now? 36? 30 36, yeah.

[36:30] Yeah, for over three decades that who

[36:33] you are for yourself

[36:35] is that you're just bad.

[36:38] And there could be other words that come

[36:39] to mind. You're rotten, you're trash,

[36:42] you're dirty is another word that I

[36:44] feel.

[36:45] Does that resonate?

[36:47] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, definitely.

[36:51] I mean, that's just dirty, right? What

[36:52] you went through that you you know, you

[36:54] don't belong now in the church. Yeah.

[36:57] >> You're so filthy.

[36:59] Yeah.

[37:07] What are some of the ways that when you

[37:08] live inside of that prison that you have

[37:10] learned to compensate? Um

[37:14] to

[37:15] like especially when I was in the

[37:16] church, I I studied the scriptures more

[37:19] than anybody and I memorized scriptures

[37:21] and I volunteered for every class and I

[37:24] said yes even when I didn't want to.

[37:27] And

[37:28] um

[37:30] and I

[37:31] did the things that nobody else wanted

[37:33] to do and I volunteered in nursery and I

[37:37] basically just abandoned myself trying

[37:39] to prove to everybody in church like see

[37:42] I'm I'm a good guy.

[37:44] >> [laughter]

[37:44] >> Yeah. Um All the while reinforcing what?

[37:48] That I'm bad.

[37:50] Now look at that. Look at all the

[37:52] energy, the effort, the time, the the

[37:54] the abandonment as you said, the way you

[37:56] compromised yourself, the exhaustion you

[37:59] put yourself through.

[38:01] Always always reinforcing the very thing

[38:04] that you were desperately trying to

[38:06] escape.

[38:15] Yeah.

[38:16] It's a lot, I know.

[38:19] It's okay.

[38:22] Now now you're starting to see

[38:25] the cause of the addiction, the home of

[38:29] the addiction.

[38:32] Yeah.

[38:34] Yeah.

[38:36] I just always trying to make

[38:38] people like me and feel safe around me.

[38:42] And then I say and do things and then

[38:45] like 10 minutes later be like, "Wait,

[38:47] why did I do that?"

[38:50] Uh

[38:51] But now but I but you're saying it's

[38:53] because it's because I was trying so

[38:55] desperately to prove that I wasn't bad.

[38:58] Yeah.

[38:59] Unconscious reaction.

[39:02] Meaning it's not something you believe.

[39:04] People talk about limiting beliefs. This

[39:05] is way below limiting beliefs. This is

[39:08] far deeper.

[39:10] You've heard me say it cuz you're

[39:11] familiar with my work. This is the you

[39:13] that you are for yourself.

[39:16] Philip isn't walking around believing

[39:18] he's bad.

[39:20] Right.

[39:21] >> Philip, in his own definition of

[39:23] himself, is bad.

[39:30] And that's why you can't see it. Yeah.

[39:33] I mean, look at the way you describe,

[39:36] defined Dr. Pepper, weed, sex,

[39:40] right, and junk food. How did you

[39:42] describe them? That you saw them. I

[39:44] said, "You create resistance cuz you

[39:46] think that they are

[39:48] bad.

[39:50] No surprise in the choice of words.

[39:56] Oh, and now I can see where I tried to

[39:59] make sex not bad cuz it's my wife.

[40:02] Right.

[40:03] That's

[40:05] >> [laughter]

[40:07] >> Okay.

[40:08] We don't see the way the world is, we

[40:10] see the way that we see the world.

[40:14] Yeah.

[40:15] Isn't that powerful? Yeah.

[40:18] It's not the world that we see, it's the

[40:22] way that we see.

[40:24] Now, if who you are is bad, so let's

[40:26] just take one let's just take let's stay

[40:29] as objective as possible.

[40:31] In the world of pure physics,

[40:34] is Dr. Pepper bad?

[40:37] No, it's just a drink.

[40:39] >> No, it's Dr. [ __ ] Pepper. Yeah.

[40:41] >> [laughter]

[40:43] >> Right? Yeah. Yeah. So, what I want you

[40:47] to understand is and again, I'm not in

[40:48] any way dismissing the fact that like I

[40:50] don't you know, I don't promote sodas,

[40:52] you know, this is by no means a

[40:54] commercial for Dr. Pepper. They'll

[40:56] suddenly be reaching out to Peter Crone.

[40:58] We'd like to sponsor your podcast. I'm

[41:00] like,

[41:01] no, I'm not interested.

[41:03] My friend Philip told me you're bad.

[41:05] >> [laughter]

[41:09] >> No, but we we understand also in the

[41:11] realm of physics. Like let's take a more

[41:13] bigger example, okay, this might be

[41:14] harder and especially for the listening

[41:16] audience.

[41:17] Is heroin bad?

[41:21] No, right?

[41:22] >> No, it's heroin. Yeah.

[41:25] Now,

[41:26] I want you to be able to understand

[41:28] whether we take you know, a slightly

[41:29] more mild you know, substance like Dr.

[41:31] Pepper or heroin. I'm not saying that I

[41:34] suggest anybody do them. Everything in

[41:36] the world of karma, cause and effect,

[41:39] has impact.

[41:41] Everything.

[41:42] Sure.

[41:43] >> Right? Yeah. You know, you could say

[41:44] that the guy who goes to the gym who

[41:46] used to be an addict, who now goes to

[41:48] the gym for 3 hours a day and he jogs

[41:50] and he's training for like his fifth

[41:51] marathon of the year and it's only like

[41:54] coming up to the end of April whenever

[41:55] it is. Like

[41:57] that that might look like, oh, the

[41:58] dude's really fit. I would still say

[42:00] that he's being driven by an addiction.

[42:02] Do you see? Yeah.

[42:05] It's like Shakespeare said, nothing in

[42:07] nothing is either good nor bad, but only

[42:09] thinking makes Is so. Yeah. Yeah.

[42:12] >> Isn't that beautiful? Dude, yeah. In the

[42:15] realm of physics, you know, somebody

[42:17] like myself with a very sensitive

[42:18] constitution cuz I would like to declare

[42:20] that I take immaculate care of myself.

[42:22] If I were to drink two or three Dr.

[42:24] Peppers a day, it would definitely make

[42:26] a mess, you know, in what you know, it's

[42:28] just my I don't drink soda. I just don't

[42:30] want to touch it, right? So, but for

[42:32] somebody who's accustomed to it, maybe

[42:35] their body has adapted to the point that

[42:37] well, it doesn't have the same degree of

[42:39] impact.

[42:40] But, the cause and effects are over the

[42:42] long term, again, like smoking. If

[42:44] someone has got a constitution like an

[42:46] an ox, they might be able to smoke for

[42:48] decades and be okay. Somebody who's more

[42:50] sensitive, you know, they might develop,

[42:53] you know, lung cancer or, you know,

[42:54] whatever it is that they're going to

[42:55] develop. So, we want to stay in the

[42:57] realm of physics, right? Okay. Where

[43:01] people suffer is in the realm of

[43:02] perspective.

[43:05] Right? You're not a victim of

[43:06] circumstance. You're not a victim of,

[43:08] you know, sex, Dr. Pepper, junk food,

[43:11] and freaking marijuana. You're a victim

[43:13] of a perspective that you're looking

[43:15] through.

[43:16] So, is this why cuz I've noticed that

[43:18] often times I will turn to these things

[43:20] when things are great.

[43:22] I'll get out of an assembly with all

[43:23] these kids or a assisted living facility

[43:26] and I'm on cloud nine

[43:28] and then I want, you know, the double

[43:31] cheeseburger or the vape the THC vape.

[43:34] Is that Are you saying it's because

[43:36] innately there's a part of me that's

[43:38] like, oh, no, no, no, no, I'm bad,

[43:40] remember? Correct. We always have to

[43:42] think about the thermostat in a house.

[43:46] If the thermostat in a house is set to

[43:48] 70°,

[43:49] if it suddenly gets cold outside and it

[43:51] starts to drop to 68, 67, what will it

[43:55] do?

[43:57] It'll kick in and put it back to the

[43:59] Correct.

[44:01] Conversely, you know, if it gets too hot

[44:03] outside,

[44:04] it will turn on the AC and bring it back

[44:07] down.

[44:08] So, think of that in terms of the same

[44:10] for our own identity. The way that we've

[44:13] defined ourselves at a very deep

[44:14] subconscious level has to constantly be

[44:17] rectified.

[44:20] I see. Okay.

[44:22] So, you The good news is you're never

[44:24] going to get too far off, you know, like

[44:25] those substances can accumulate over

[44:28] time, like you know,

[44:29] somebody will say, "Oh, you know, weed

[44:31] is a gateway drug, right?" And then you

[44:33] become like you get into the heavier

[44:35] stuff as you go. But really the gateway

[44:37] drug is is this as I declared this

[44:39] ultimate addiction is the idea of

[44:40] yourself. So, sometimes it becomes

[44:42] slippery where and I don't want to get

[44:45] too into the linguistics of how these

[44:47] codes define personality. That's what I

[44:49] You know, for people who are interested,

[44:51] that's what I do in the mastermind. I

[44:53] know you're in freedom membership,

[44:54] right? But the mastermind is where I

[44:56] help people understand and I'm going to

[44:57] give like a little insight today.

[45:00] Most human beings in their identity are

[45:02] defined by something they're not.

[45:05] Now, what does that mean? I'm not good

[45:08] enough. I'm not loved.

[45:11] I'm not valued or worthy, right? Can you

[45:14] see that? Yeah. Yeah. When a human

[45:18] being's identity is defined by what

[45:20] we're not,

[45:21] our

[45:23] our compromise and coping strategy tends

[45:26] to be try and become that thing.

[45:29] To compensate.

[45:30] >> So, if I'm If I'm not good enough, I'm

[45:33] going to as a strategy for survival

[45:36] become a people pleaser, perfectionist,

[45:39] work hard as a an attempt to become

[45:42] enough. Do you see that? Yeah. Yeah.

[45:45] Make sense, right? It's logical. Right.

[45:48] With somebody like yourself, there's a

[45:50] shadow side of what I call these

[45:52] negations of self, which is well, I am

[45:54] something negative.

[45:56] So, the antithesis of I'm not good

[45:58] enough is I am bad.

[46:02] So, Philip's identity has fallen into

[46:05] the shadow side, which is why you

[46:06] struggled with it for so long, or it's

[46:08] manifesting in a way that will

[46:11] you know, you're 36, but over time that

[46:13] would lead to physiological issues and

[46:15] you know, you've got a beautiful doting

[46:17] wife and lovely kids.

[46:19] But for most people in the shadow side

[46:22] of a compromised

[46:24] constraint of oneself, there tends to be

[46:26] a lot of destruction, right? Divorce,

[46:30] sickness, disease, loss of jobs, all the

[46:32] things like that, right? Yeah.

[46:35] Yeah.

[46:36] Do you see? So, now

[46:39] So,

[46:40] why I'm so happy that you're here today

[46:41] and you clearly have such a beautiful

[46:43] powerful spirit, which is why you

[46:44] haven't cascaded too far down the I am

[46:48] bad, you know, route, which a lot of

[46:51] people when they're in that tend to

[46:53] fulfill on.

[46:55] So, what I want you to understand is

[46:57] first of all, you're doing a a hell of a

[46:59] job to have kicked the opioids and to

[47:01] still be making a huge difference for

[47:03] the homeless and the people that you,

[47:05] you know, touch, which is beautiful. So,

[47:08] I just want to acknowledge that, okay?

[47:09] Thanks, bro.

[47:11] Yeah, of course. So,

[47:13] but now you start to see, oh, if who you

[47:15] are, not what you believe, but who you

[47:17] are is that I am bad,

[47:21] you can now see the cascade, right?

[47:23] Yeah.

[47:25] Yeah.

[47:26] Yeah. Yeah. So, when my my daughters

[47:29] come to love on me,

[47:31] Yeah.

[47:32] it's it it's me saying, why are you

[47:35] loving someone bad?

[47:37] Is that what you think?

[47:37] >> make sense. Yeah. It doesn't resonate.

[47:40] It doesn't align. And so, your

[47:43] fundamental identity at the deepest

[47:45] level has to

[47:47] do something in order to prevail, to

[47:50] sustain itself. See, the ego of every

[47:53] human being fundamentally is fictitious.

[47:56] Right.

[47:57] Uh so, in for it to prevail, it has to

[48:01] keep finding evidence or create its own

[48:04] to exist.

[48:07] Isn't that nuts?

[48:09] Yeah.

[48:10] It's nuts, man.

[48:12] Yeah, and you wonder why people out

[48:13] there are [ __ ] do you know, excuse

[48:15] my French, but you know, both sick and

[48:17] tired of being sick and tired, but they

[48:19] don't believe they have the life they

[48:20] want and they keep wondering why they

[48:22] the the self-fulfilling prophecy is

[48:24] leading to all of the discomfort and

[48:26] suffering that they have. Well, you're

[48:28] just constantly being right about your

[48:30] own identity.

[48:33] Yeah.

[48:35] >> [laughter]

[48:36] >> Bonkers, isn't it? Yeah, I've been so

[48:38] good at it though.

[48:40] Why here?

[48:42] Everybody's so good at being, you know,

[48:44] wrong about themselves. I mean, that's

[48:46] the human disposition. That is the

[48:48] insidious nature of what I call the 1.0

[48:51] mindset. That's why I've created the new

[48:53] operating system for humanity.

[48:55] To break out of the world of limitation,

[48:58] fear, suffering, disease, and scarcity.

[48:59] That is the world that we have. And then

[49:01] on top of that, we just have the myriad

[49:03] of forms of coping strategies and

[49:05] survival techniques to try and mitigate

[49:08] it. All of which do nothing but

[49:10] reinforce it. And you have the mad world

[49:13] [ __ ] show of planet Earth that we

[49:15] currently have.

[49:16] So this is why I've had my spine fused

[49:19] after three surgeries is cuz I I keep

[49:22] I've constantly been in an environment

[49:25] where I've been living in a world where

[49:27] I'm bad

[49:29] and

[49:31] and my body's just been carrying that

[49:33] weight is what you're saying. Just an

[49:35] absolutely unnecessary burden from which

[49:38] you can never escape.

[49:40] Right.

[49:42] Yeah.

[49:45] >> [laughter]

[49:45] >> God.

[49:48] Oh, man, this is why I love you, bro.

[49:50] Dude, I'm telling you, man. Yes. Okay.

[49:53] Okay. So, that's level one there. So,

[49:56] now we're getting down to the deeper

[49:57] level. So, where was Philip born? Dude,

[50:00] I've been waiting for this for years,

[50:01] bro. Okay. [laughter]

[50:03] I was born in North Carolina, Peter.

[50:06] Okay.

[50:07] So, Philip,

[50:09] this is your moment. If I cut you open,

[50:13] am I going to find a physical

[50:14] manufacturing label, pick your material,

[50:16] wood, metal, plastic, that says on it,

[50:18] Philip, born in North Carolina, he is

[50:21] bad?

[50:24] >> [laughter]

[50:25] >> No, man. No, you won't.

[50:28] >> [laughter]

[50:32] [clears throat]

[50:34] [laughter]

[50:36] >> Oh, man. Go ahead. My bad. Go ahead. No,

[50:39] no, no. This is

[50:40] >> [laughter]

[50:41] >> My bad.

[50:42] Hey.

[50:45] Just got to help yourself. This guy.

[50:48] This guy. He's on fuego.

[50:49] >> Okay. Okay. No, man. No, you won't find

[50:51] it there. It's not in there.

[50:52] >> No, it's not part of his physiology,

[50:54] right? But we if we could read the

[50:55] genome, we'd understand your body

[50:57] constitution, your eye color, all the

[50:59] things, right? Somebody would be able to

[51:00] read that. So, where therefore does I'm

[51:03] bad exist? Because for over three

[51:05] decades, three and a half, it has

[51:06] dictated your thoughts, your feelings,

[51:09] your actions, and now these {quote}

[51:11] {unquote} addictions that you've been

[51:12] dealing with. So, where does the I'm bad

[51:14] live?

[51:15] In my head. In the conversation.

[51:18] Exactly. And where did that

[51:21] predominantly get formulated from?

[51:25] What what would you say was the most

[51:27] pivotal experience

[51:33] that you've already referenced and that

[51:34] I I I repeated for you?

[51:36] >> From the experience when I was when I

[51:37] was a teenager and experienced sexual

[51:39] abuse.

[51:40] >> Yeah.

[51:41] That you got probation and that you were

[51:42] basically {quote} {unquote} kicked out,

[51:44] shamed. Yeah. And that young boy

[51:48] then at that moment decided what that

[51:50] meant about him.

[51:53] Yeah.

[51:54] And that's when I started to do all the

[51:55] church stuff and got way into

[51:57] everything. Of course, which was the

[51:59] compensation, which is the logical

[52:01] progression because at the deepest level

[52:04] of who we are, we want to experience our

[52:07] essence, which is unity.

[52:10] Yeah. Yeah.

[52:12] So just as I said earlier, your nature

[52:14] is freedom. When you have resistance to

[52:17] in this case, you know, substances, your

[52:20] inherent freedom doesn't like not having

[52:23] freedom, so you're drawn to them.

[52:26] If you experience from your essence

[52:29] unity, but now you experience the

[52:31] feeling of separation or

[52:32] excommunication,

[52:34] what are you going to do?

[52:36] Try and get back to it. Of course.

[52:38] That's all any human being is doing. We

[52:40] want to experience our own divine

[52:43] essence of unity, which we can never

[52:45] access cuz we look through the illusion

[52:47] of a separate ego.

[52:50] >> [laughter]

[52:52] >> BRO, I'M TELLING YOU, MAN. YES.

[52:55] OH, get crowned, Phillip. Gosh.

[52:59] >> [laughter]

[52:59] >> So it lives in your head in what form?

[53:02] You said a conversation language, right?

[53:04] >> yes. In sound. In sound. It's literally

[53:06] So who you are is a divine essence of

[53:09] pure possibility, limitlessness,

[53:11] absolutely boundless potential that's

[53:14] being confined, imprisoned by sound. In

[53:17] this case, sound that who you are is

[53:19] bad.

[53:21] Yeah.

[53:22] So if it is just sound, if it is just

[53:24] language, it's literally words saying

[53:26] that you are bad, is it true that who

[53:29] you are is bad?

[53:32] No.

[53:34] Not at all. Oh, man.

[53:38] >> [laughter]

[53:40] >> Oh.

[53:43] Welcome to freedom, my man. [laughter]

[53:47] Thank you, bro.

[53:49] Oh.

[53:50] Just sit with it. You have been living

[53:52] in one of the most common, insidious,

[53:54] destructive lies. It's a lie.

[53:58] And what's so beautiful about you, I've

[54:00] never met anybody on this show who's so

[54:03] committed to truth.

[54:06] Thanks.

[54:06] >> why this is going to be just such a such

[54:09] a joyous transformation for you. Oh.

[54:13] Yeah. You You can't overcome a lie.

[54:17] Dude.

[54:20] Yeah. That's why I've been doing so much

[54:22] damn research. Good night.

[54:26] Oh.

[54:27] >> Yeah.

[54:28] And now I don't have to.

[54:30] >> [laughter]

[54:31] >> You can drink MORE DR. PEPPER.

[54:37] OH GOSH. I highly don't recommend it.

[54:41] But anyway, so

[54:42] But what's the difference now? If you

[54:44] did

[54:45] So now we want to make We want to make

[54:47] the collapse. Okay.

[54:48] >> If you were from this position of

[54:52] realizing that you're not bad, if you

[54:55] drank Dr. Pepper, what does that mean?

[54:58] It means I drank Dr. PEPPER. EXACTLY.

[55:01] [laughter]

[55:06] SO NOW GET THIS ONE. When your six and

[55:08] nine-year-old daughters come in and kiss

[55:11] you on the cheek,

[55:13] what now becomes available from this

[55:15] space?

[55:16] Oh.

[55:19] Oh.

[55:21] I can just receive their love.

[55:24] Yep. Oh. And I can kiss them back.

[55:28] Yep.

[55:29] Oh.

[55:31] They just got their dad today.

[55:34] Yeah.

[55:36] Isn't that special?

[55:40] Yeah, I was telling my wife Danny. I was

[55:42] like, I just know he's going to say go

[55:44] meet your daughters and I'm so ready for

[55:46] it.

[55:47] Yeah.

[55:49] I'd say go meet your daughters, go meet

[55:51] your wife, go meet your son. Yeah.

[55:55] I would I'm excited to meet myself. You

[55:57] know, I've been a good guy this whole

[55:58] time.

[55:59] >> [laughter]

[56:02] >> You really have.

[56:05] Such a good guy who tried so hard. He's

[56:07] such a good guy that he tried so hard to

[56:10] disprove his own lie that HE WAS BAD.

[56:13] >> [laughter]

[56:18] >> DUDE.

[56:21] OH MY GOSH, PETER. YES. DUDE, I got

[56:25] crowned, bro.

[56:27] >> [laughter]

[56:28] >> Yeah. Going to have to get you a

[56:29] t-shirt. I knew this was coming. We

[56:32] might have to do that for everyone who's

[56:34] on the show.

[56:35] Yeah.

[56:36] Oh, man. Yes, I get to meet my

[56:39] daughters.

[56:40] How special is that?

[56:42] As you, as the boundless, loving,

[56:45] beautiful soul that you truly are.

[56:50] Really feel it. Your nature

[56:53] is love.

[56:56] What's What's Tell everybody your motto?

[57:00] If no one else loves you, I do.

[57:03] Now, apply that to yourself.

[57:05] Yeah.

[57:06] God.

[57:12] You really You really had it. The way

[57:14] that you saw the world was nobody else

[57:16] loved you. How could they? You're bad.

[57:18] That's why I would go and visit people

[57:20] in jails and state the state prison.

[57:24] And I've wanted to do this

[57:26] I've wanted to do this this like one of

[57:28] my secret like dreams and goals is to

[57:31] create a non-profit

[57:33] where we have health professionals when

[57:36] the politician committed adultery or the

[57:39] teacher had inappropriate relations with

[57:41] the student or somebody killed somebody

[57:43] and all of society is looking at this

[57:45] person and judging them.

[57:47] And every time that happens all I can

[57:49] think to myself is

[57:51] I don't know but I this is a human

[57:53] being. How much How much were they

[57:55] hurting that they ruined their life like

[57:58] this?

[57:59] And so I think what

[58:01] what I hear you saying is the reason I

[58:03] was drawn to those people is because I

[58:05] was looking for myself. Both looking for

[58:07] yourself but also the beauty of the fact

[58:09] that you could recognize within them

[58:11] that which you were struggling with

[58:13] yourself.

[58:15] Yeah. And that's what bred compassion.

[58:18] I guarantee you as a generalization

[58:21] there's not anybody in prison that I've

[58:22] helped a lot and we gift a lot of my

[58:24] courses to inmates that doesn't think

[58:27] they're fundamentally bad. Society has

[58:29] confirmed it.

[58:31] But it's the chicken and the egg, which

[58:32] came first, right? I would assert that

[58:34] that soul incarnated with the story they

[58:36] were bad and then had to curate the

[58:38] events to confirm it.

[58:40] Frequency precedes form. That's how

[58:42] powerful we are.

[58:44] Didn't matter where you looked, Philip,

[58:45] you were always going to see bad.

[58:49] And then you try to compensate which of

[58:51] course is logical and because you're a

[58:52] beautiful soul and you didn't want to

[58:54] experience suffering, everybody as I

[58:56] said is trying to mitigate their own

[58:57] suffering. Oh, man.

[59:00] Yeah. And now where's the suffering? Oh,

[59:04] it was just a story. It's It's not even

[59:07] It isn't.

[59:08] So then who needs marijuana? Who needs

[59:11] Dr. Pepper? Who needs junk food?

[59:13] Oh.

[59:15] And even if you have it periodically cuz

[59:17] there may still be what I call karmic

[59:19] momentum in your physiology, meaning

[59:21] your physiology like, you know, when

[59:22] people have a lot of imbalances in their

[59:25] gut, they might be drawn to certain

[59:26] foods. You know, when women go through

[59:28] pregnancy, there are certain

[59:29] inclinations towards tastes and you

[59:31] know, so your physiology might still

[59:33] inform a habit.

[59:35] But now you get to have conscious

[59:38] choice.

[59:39] Is choosing Dr. Pepper junk food

[59:41] marijuana in Philip's best interest when

[59:45] who he sees himself to be is this

[59:47] boundless limitless being who warrants

[59:50] love?

[59:51] Who is love? Of course not. Yeah.

[59:54] Exactly. But now it's a choice as

[59:56] opposed to before it was an unconscious

[59:58] reaction. Right.

[59:59] >> Which had its own undeniable momentum

[1:00:02] that was very hard to overcome. Some

[1:00:04] people do it with willpower. You managed

[1:00:06] to do that with your opioids.

[1:00:08] But you can never over time overcome

[1:00:11] that which is persistently there.

[1:00:14] That's what I said, you know, you can

[1:00:15] never get something of enough of

[1:00:16] something that almost works. Yeah. Yeah.

[1:00:21] But now you get to make a choice for

[1:00:23] yourself from love.

[1:00:26] Right. I get to take care of me.

[1:00:29] What a novel thought.

[1:00:31] >> [laughter]

[1:00:32] >> Yeah, cuz I'm the good guy. I'm a good

[1:00:35] guy.

[1:00:35] >> [ __ ] A.

[1:00:37] Been a good guy the whole time.

[1:00:39] You have. And just And just because this

[1:00:43] is an important distinction

[1:00:46] that will give you power.

[1:00:48] You have been a good guy all the time.

[1:00:50] You are a good guy and and not or or but

[1:00:55] by virtue of being human you have the

[1:00:58] capacity

[1:01:00] to experience yourself as bad and act

[1:01:03] accordingly.

[1:01:05] I see. Okay, yeah. Yeah.

[1:01:07] I It's important that we integrate that

[1:01:10] versus dismiss it. So that like you

[1:01:13] said, if there's karmic momentum if

[1:01:14] something happens, I don't fall into a

[1:01:16] cycle of ah

[1:01:18] See I I [ __ ] up. I need to be crowned

[1:01:20] again. I'm such a bad guy. I knew I

[1:01:22] couldn't keep it up. All of those

[1:01:23] stories would only be reinforcing the

[1:01:26] underlying bad that you haven't

[1:01:28] incorporated or included.

[1:01:31] Right. Okay.

[1:01:32] >> Can you feel the power in that? Because

[1:01:33] otherwise, if you walk around now Philip

[1:01:35] as a good guy, you leave yourself

[1:01:37] ironically more vulnerable again. Cuz no

[1:01:41] one can sustain that. Right. Right.

[1:01:43] Okay. Yeah.

[1:01:45] Okay. That makes sense.

[1:01:48] So, the way I would say to the deep

[1:01:49] energetic level is who you are is love.

[1:01:53] And love makes space for all of it.

[1:01:56] Yeah.

[1:01:58] Yeah. Dude, you talk my language, bro.

[1:02:01] Yes, love.

[1:02:03] Yes. When you go into these

[1:02:05] incarceration facilities or you see

[1:02:07] homeless, you don't judge them, do you?

[1:02:09] No.

[1:02:10] No, but objectively the way that they've

[1:02:12] ended up where they are is because of

[1:02:14] consequences and actions that, you know,

[1:02:16] according to society aren't agreed upon

[1:02:18] or they're frowned upon, right? But you

[1:02:21] come in with no judgment. Because in

[1:02:24] that relationship, you're making space

[1:02:26] for their indiscretions. You're making

[1:02:28] space for their shortcomings. You're

[1:02:31] making space for their humanity. Yeah.

[1:02:35] Now you get to make space for Philip's.

[1:02:39] So, now I'm going to blow another part

[1:02:41] of your mind. Are you ready?

[1:02:42] >> Dude, I'm ready, man.

[1:02:44] You never, ever wanted to be healed.

[1:02:51] Because there was nothing to be healed.

[1:02:54] You just wanted to be held.

[1:02:57] For your imperfections.

[1:03:00] That 14-year-old, wherever you were and

[1:03:02] you had this big, you know, brouhaha

[1:03:04] scene and you were put on probation and

[1:03:07] all the things, that 14-year-old wanted

[1:03:10] somebody to hold him and say, "It's

[1:03:12] okay.

[1:03:14] You're not bad for what happened." And

[1:03:16] in fact, it took, you know, as you said,

[1:03:18] 17 years later whenever you're 31 and a

[1:03:20] therapist said, "No, you were abused."

[1:03:23] That was the first time you got a

[1:03:24] glimpse of like, "Oh, I didn't do

[1:03:26] anything wrong." Yeah.

[1:03:31] So again, your journey for healing

[1:03:33] perpetuates what? The idea that there's

[1:03:36] something to be healed.

[1:03:39] >> [laughter]

[1:03:46] >> Oh, man, Peter.

[1:03:50] Oh.

[1:03:52] I I So, okay. I was going to say I am

[1:03:55] healed, but that would just perpetuate

[1:03:56] that I was broken.

[1:03:58] I'm just I am.

[1:04:00] You are.

[1:04:01] And then depending on what lens you look

[1:04:03] through based on the narratives and the

[1:04:04] stories that we typically curate from

[1:04:06] our childhood, we will form a life to

[1:04:10] represent that.

[1:04:12] So if you're always looking to be

[1:04:13] healed, then you must say fundamentally

[1:04:15] there's something wrong with you. No,

[1:04:17] you went through what you went through

[1:04:18] and by the way, it's already finished.

[1:04:20] Right. It happened forever ago.

[1:04:23] 22 years ago you had this moment with

[1:04:25] this 40-year-old woman. 22 like

[1:04:28] even physiologically, you're not the

[1:04:30] same

[1:04:31] person as you were when you started this

[1:04:33] conversation cuz cells have died and new

[1:04:35] ones have been born.

[1:04:38] That 14-year-old, with all due respect,

[1:04:40] he died, you know, 22 years ago.

[1:04:43] You're just holding on to the story as

[1:04:45] evidence to sustain your ego's identity.

[1:04:51] Yeah.

[1:04:53] It's got What What What does literally

[1:04:55] literally What does what you went

[1:04:56] through when you were 14 have to do with

[1:04:58] today?

[1:04:59] Nothing.

[1:05:01] Nothing. Now we can embrace the human

[1:05:03] part, which is it had everything to do

[1:05:05] with your identity until we just

[1:05:07] revealed it, which was it confirmed

[1:05:11] a story that you were bad, that you're

[1:05:13] dirty, there's something wrong with you.

[1:05:15] You know, we didn't go through all of

[1:05:16] them cuz they're bedfellows to me.

[1:05:19] But they're all sort of associated,

[1:05:21] they're relative, right? Yeah. Yeah.

[1:05:23] Being bad, dirty for what happened,

[1:05:26] there's something wrong with you. I

[1:05:27] would throw in you're not wanted, right,

[1:05:29] which is being sort of discarded from

[1:05:32] the church.

[1:05:34] So you can write all of these I mean

[1:05:35] this is recorded, you can watch it, but

[1:05:37] I I just want to share them with you so

[1:05:38] you can investigate the same process I

[1:05:40] took you through which is is it true

[1:05:42] that you're bad? No. Is it true that

[1:05:43] you're not wanted? No. Is it true that

[1:05:45] you're dirty? No. Do you see? Is it true

[1:05:47] there's something wrong with you? No,

[1:05:48] they're all lies.

[1:05:50] But they are all the fundamental

[1:05:52] addiction that was the precursor to the

[1:05:55] solutions you found to mitigate

[1:05:58] suffering. Wow, yes.

[1:06:01] And in the absence of those, my friend,

[1:06:03] if it's not true

[1:06:06] that you're not wanted, if it's not true

[1:06:09] that there's something wrong with you,

[1:06:10] if there's not true that you're bad, and

[1:06:13] if it's not true that you're dirty,

[1:06:14] they're all gone,

[1:06:16] you literally don't have those ways of

[1:06:19] relating to yourself.

[1:06:21] Who does Philip get to be?

[1:06:28] >> [laughter]

[1:06:28] >> I don't even know, man.

[1:06:31] It's so exciting.

[1:06:32] >> That's a very accurate answer. Yeah, you

[1:06:33] don't cuz I'm introducing you to a world

[1:06:35] with which you're not familiar. Welcome

[1:06:37] to 2.0 world, my friend.

[1:06:38] >> Yeah. Wow.

[1:06:41] Oh. Now I just want to write. I've been

[1:06:43] dealing with writer's block, but now I

[1:06:45] just Well, I'll tell you what right now,

[1:06:46] whatever it is that you do, and again,

[1:06:48] I'm not familiar with music, it just got

[1:06:50] exponentially more powerful. Oh,

[1:06:53] [ __ ] Can you feel that? Yeah.

[1:06:56] Yeah. And here's a really funny thing

[1:06:58] that I want you to understand and I

[1:06:59] can't categorically say is true. My

[1:07:02] guess is because when we shift our

[1:07:04] internal terrain, the way we view

[1:07:06] ourselves, and the fundamental

[1:07:09] way that we relate to who we are, like

[1:07:12] your energetic signature has shifted

[1:07:14] today. That informs your physiology.

[1:07:18] So, I've worked with people who may have

[1:07:20] been addicted to cigarettes for 40

[1:07:22] years. We had someone in my mastermind

[1:07:24] who smoked 120 cigarettes a day.

[1:07:27] After our conversation, that next week

[1:07:29] she had three, and the week after she

[1:07:30] hasn't touched a cigarette again.

[1:07:32] Wow.

[1:07:33] >> Because her physiology, the form that is

[1:07:36] informed by your view of yourself, now

[1:07:39] is going to have different

[1:07:42] proclivities, different tendencies,

[1:07:44] different uh preferences.

[1:07:47] So, I wouldn't be surprised, again, I

[1:07:49] don't know, it may not be instant, that

[1:07:51] your body no longer even wants

[1:07:53] marijuana, it doesn't like the taste of

[1:07:56] Dr. Pepper, and it certainly would never

[1:07:59] drive through a McDonald's drive

[1:08:02] drive-by.

[1:08:03] Yeah.

[1:08:05] Do you know

[1:08:05] >> Yeah. Do you Can you see that? Because

[1:08:07] Because your your your physical form as

[1:08:10] an extension of your energetic

[1:08:12] signature,

[1:08:13] it it doesn't align anymore. It's like

[1:08:15] it's physically impossible, not

[1:08:17] physically impossible, but for me to go

[1:08:19] into like a fast food place. Like it

[1:08:22] does it doesn't align with who I am in

[1:08:24] the way that I view myself, or the way

[1:08:26] that I revere the opportunity that is to

[1:08:29] be me as a human being.

[1:08:31] Right. It doesn't align anymore. Yeah.

[1:08:35] Do you see? Yeah.

[1:08:37] So, no longer those things no longer not

[1:08:39] bad, they never were, they were just the

[1:08:41] extension of the bad through which you

[1:08:43] viewed yourself.

[1:08:46] They They're just something that

[1:08:47] probably won't even resonate with the

[1:08:50] frequency, albeit only like 10, 20, 15

[1:08:53] minutes old, but as you continue to

[1:08:55] embody that,

[1:08:57] you won't be drawn to substances like

[1:08:59] that.

[1:09:01] Yeah.

[1:09:02] That makes sense.

[1:09:03] >> is that? Dude, that's awesome. That's

[1:09:04] what I wanted. Like I just want to drink

[1:09:06] water and eat produce and be healthy and

[1:09:09] feel good.

[1:09:11] Yeah. But I didn't want that before.

[1:09:12] Like I wanted it, but I didn't I I

[1:09:15] craved something different. And you're

[1:09:16] saying now with the new

[1:09:19] me, a new energy, a new frequency, that

[1:09:22] those things will just be not even

[1:09:23] relevant anymore because now I'm just a

[1:09:25] different person.

[1:09:27] >> You won't even attract them into your

[1:09:28] field because it's not who you be.

[1:09:32] It would.

[1:09:34] Yeah.

[1:09:34] >> And and again, just to make space for

[1:09:37] the phenomenal being you are, if

[1:09:39] occasionally there might be this like,

[1:09:41] "You know what? [ __ ] it. You're out with

[1:09:42] the family. I'm going to have a Dr.

[1:09:44] Pepper." And you haven't had one for a

[1:09:45] month or a few weeks. Like who cares? It

[1:09:47] doesn't have to know be bad. Do you know

[1:09:50] what I'm saying? Yeah, just is.

[1:09:52] It just is.

[1:09:56] Yes.

[1:09:58] I was going to say how do you feel, but

[1:09:59] I think it's pretty much Dude, you're

[1:10:02] the freaking man, bro. I love you so

[1:10:04] much, bro. Thank you.

[1:10:06] Thank you.

[1:10:08] You're a sweetheart. I I just feel so

[1:10:10] blessed to get to do what I get to do,

[1:10:12] especially with people like you who

[1:10:14] showed up, you know,

[1:10:15] borderline only an hour ago, who thought

[1:10:17] that there was something wrong with

[1:10:18] them, they were bad, they're broken,

[1:10:20] they have addictive problems, and had

[1:10:21] all sorts of shame and guilt to the

[1:10:24] absolute boundless joy that is now

[1:10:27] evident in every cell of your body. I

[1:10:28] mean, what a gift.

[1:10:31] Dude, yes. Oh.

[1:10:35] Yeah, you are a sweetheart, and the

[1:10:36] world just became a much brighter place

[1:10:39] because

[1:10:40] >> Oh. Philip didn't try and heal himself

[1:10:42] anymore. He held the part of him that

[1:10:44] got hurt once. Which everybody can

[1:10:46] relate to.

[1:10:48] And that's going to make you not only a

[1:10:49] better husband, a better father, a

[1:10:51] better friend, a better musician, and

[1:10:54] the people whose lives you've yet to

[1:10:56] touch, that don't even know you exist, I

[1:10:58] just want to acknowledge you for the

[1:10:59] difference you're going to make that you

[1:11:01] don't even know yet.

[1:11:03] Dude, thank you, Peter. Thank you.

[1:11:06] There's not one human being alive, you

[1:11:08] know, of the millions who will get to

[1:11:09] listen to this, who don't have their own

[1:11:11] form of addiction. It may not manifest

[1:11:13] in choosing substances as a solution to

[1:11:16] mitigate suffering, but it is

[1:11:18] nonetheless the addiction to thinking

[1:11:19] that they're not loved, that they're

[1:11:21] they're worthless, that they're not

[1:11:23] safe, that nobody loves them, that

[1:11:24] they're not going to be okay.

[1:11:27] And so, thank you for your courage and

[1:11:28] vulnerability, your absolute beauty of

[1:11:30] spirit that allowed you to share things

[1:11:33] that are going to touch the lives of

[1:11:34] millions of people in their own form of

[1:11:36] addiction that I hope after this

[1:11:37] conversation, they now get to transcend

[1:11:40] and see as a fundamental lie and that

[1:11:42] beneath that

[1:11:43] is the pure love,

[1:11:45] freedom, possibility of the essence of

[1:11:48] who we all are.

[1:11:50] >> [music]

[1:12:00] [music]

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When you resist a behavior, you reinforce the psychological system that generates it. The behavior is a solution to an underlying identity wound or belief. By fighting the behavior without addressing that wound, you create what Crone calls "a position of discomfort," and the nervous system intensifies its reach for the soothing behavior. Resistance amplifies the desire.
Limiting beliefs are thoughts you can reframe ("I'm not good enough"). Identity code is the deeper psychological truth you've constructed about who you are ("I am bad and dangerous"). Healing limiting beliefs does not dissolve identity-level wounds. You must see and release the identity itself, not just change the thought.
When an identity is built on shame or the belief that you are fundamentally dangerous, physical proximity and love can trigger that protective identity. You unconsciously reject closeness to protect others from what you believe you are. The rage is not about your children—it is your system protecting them from the badness you believe you contain.
The language and framework of healing assumes something is broken inside you. Every time you engage in therapy or self-help to fix yourself, you reinforce the belief that you are fundamentally broken. This keeps you trapped in the identity that needs fixing. True shift comes from recognizing you were never broken—you constructed a protective identity in response to trauma.
Unconscious reaction means behaviors and emotions happen to you automatically, driven by underlying beliefs you don't see. Conscious creation means recognizing the identity running the behavior, seeing it clearly as a protective story rather than truth, and choosing action from awareness. You move from being driven by compulsion to being able to choose.
Every compulsive behavior—eating, substance use, sexual acting out—serves a psychological function. It temporarily soothes an intolerable internal state created by an identity wound or belief. The addiction is the medicine the nervous system found for survival. Until the underlying wound is addressed, the behavior will persist regardless of willpower or shame.
No. If your healing approach assumes you are broken or bad, it reinforces the very identity that generated the problem. Healing rooted in shame perpetuates shame. True resolution comes from seeing the identity without judgment, understanding what it was protecting you from, and recognizing that identity is not who you are—it is a protective story you can release.

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