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Releasing Trapped Emotion AfterTrauma and Surgery

Peter Crone
Peter Crone
May 12, 2026
10 min read

TLDR: When physical trauma like brain surgery collides with unprocessed emotional patterns rooted in childhood abandonment, the body becomes a vessel for release. Peter Crone works with Davina McCall through a moment of profound emotional breakthrough, revealing how a benign brain tumor removal, memory loss, and post-operative isolation triggered deep wells of loneliness connected to maternal absence in childhood. The conversation explores how trauma patterns don't live in the mind alone—they're encoded in the nervous system—and how conscious witnessing in a safe relational space allows these emotions to move through the body rather than remain trapped.

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What Happens When Physical and Emotional Trauma Collide?

Davina McCall describes a journey that began with an unexpected health discovery: a benign brain tumor called a colloid cyst found during a routine health check in August 2024. The cyst was located in the third ventricle, a region associated with memory function. After consulting three neurosurgeons, the decision was clear—the tumor needed to be removed before it could grow large enough to cause hydrocephalus, a life-threatening condition. On November 15th, neurosurgeon Kevin O'Neil performed the surgery successfully. But what emerged post-operation was not just physical recovery; it was an avalanche of unprocessed emotion.

The most immediate and disorienting consequence was complete short-term memory loss. Davina woke up in what she describes as "a minute loop"—similar to the character Dory from the film Finding Nemo, unable to retain new information moment to moment. She was physically alive but neurologically isolated, unaware of the passage of time or the sequence of events around her. This medical crisis didn't just affect her body; it triggered a deep emotional state that her conscious mind couldn't initially explain.

What Crone recognizes in her experience is the activation of an old, primal fear: complete isolation without the capacity to understand or communicate. The hospital environment, the medical machinery, and the neurological symptoms all conspired to activate a nervous system pattern that had been encoded far earlier in her life.

How Does Childhood Abandonment Create Lifelong Patterns?

As Crone and Davina explore the roots of her overwhelming loneliness during recovery, a pattern emerges. Davina grew up in the presence of a mother who was not emotionally present. The physical proximity of her parent masked an absence of emotional attunement. Crone articulates this clearly: "Imagine what it would be like for a kid in the presence of a parent who's not there. What is that experience going to be like for a kid? Completely lonely."

This early experience of isolation—being seen physically but not felt emotionally—creates a neural template. The child learns that being surrounded by people and receiving material care does not guarantee feeling safe, understood, or connected. This pattern becomes so deeply embedded that it operates beneath conscious awareness for decades.

What is remarkable in Davina's case is how she responded to this childhood wound: she became what Crone calls "super gregarious, super playful." She built a career on movement, fitness, and energetic presence. She created connection everywhere. But this wasn't conscious choice; it was survival. Crone gently reframes her achievement: "When you don't understand, you didn't do it for your mom, you did it for your own survival." The hyperactivity, the constant engagement, the cheerful exterior—these were all adaptive responses to an environment where emotional attunement from her mother was not available.

Fast forward to the hospital bed post-surgery, and suddenly the survival strategy stops working. She cannot be energetic. She cannot perform connection. She cannot move. And in that stillness and vulnerability, the original wound—the loneliness of a child in the presence of an absent parent—surfaces with full force.

Why Does Safe Relational Space Unlock Emotional Release?

One of the most significant moments in the conversation occurs when Davina describes the paradox of her hospital recovery. She was receiving massive outpourings of love through WhatsApp groups organized by her husband Michael. Messages of support, care, and connection were flooding in. Logically, she should have felt held. But instead, she felt profoundly alone.

Crone's response is crucial: he doesn't try to fix this contradiction with logic. Instead, he validates the experience as neurologically real. The presence of love in her phone screen was not the same as felt presence. The experience of isolation—neurologically real due to memory loss and physical confinement—overrode the intellectual knowledge that she was loved. The nervous system and the thinking mind were operating in different time zones.

What begins to shift is her understanding of herself. Davina makes a striking observation: "I am so in tune with myself... I never put those two things together. That is so funny. I'm normally like, 'Mrs. Oh, I feel like that because of this.'" What she realizes is that she has developed extraordinary body awareness and emotional sensitivity—yet she had not connected that sensitivity to the unprocessed material she was carrying. She could diagnose her emotions intellectually but couldn't access the deeper somatic truth beneath them.

Crone creates safety through several means: he normalizes her emotional release ("It's okay. It's okay. Nothing to hide."), he removes shame ("Apologize about this. It's beautiful."), he offers physical grounding ("Just breathe. Just breathe."), and he stays present without rushing toward resolution. He doesn't offer platitudes or try to reframe the pain. He simply bears witness.

This witnessing becomes the container in which old material can finally move. The tears that flow are not just about the surgery or the memory loss—they are the nervous system's way of releasing a lifetime of stored, unexpressed loneliness. Davina describes the experience as feeling "like an exorcism," and Crone validates this visceral quality: the body is literally releasing trapped material.

What Is the Connection Between Survival Strategies and Physical Illness?

Crone introduces a subtle but important concept: the relationship between psychological survival strategies and physical manifestation. He does not claim the tumor was caused by emotional patterns, but he does suggest that the way Davina adapted to early relational trauma—through constant activity, performance, and the suppression of vulnerability—created a chronic pressure in her nervous system.

He speaks about "egoic surgery"—the surgery of the self that occurs when old identity structures must die. Just as she had to physically recover from brain surgery, she is also undergoing a psychological death: the death of the hyperactive, always-on-version of herself that was necessary for survival but is no longer serving her. This death is not metaphorical in her case; it coincides with actual menopause, another form of biological transformation that Crone describes as a "death" to previous hormonal cycles.

He notes: "If you're going to stay alive, then you have to constantly die to the old iterations of yourself." For Davina, this death is literal and figurative. The tumor represented a threat to her physical survival. The surgery represented a death of that threat. But the deeper death occurring now is the release of the survival identity itself—the girl who had to be always on, always performing, always creating connection to compensate for the absence of maternal attunement.

What Crone suggests is that this psychological pressure, this chronic activation of survival mode, creates a kind of internal pressure that the body itself registers. While he is careful not to make a causal claim, he implies that the nervous system's constant activation, the emotional material locked in the tissues, the unexpressed grief—these accumulate and contribute to the overall burden the body carries. In Davina's case, the surgical removal of the tumor became a catalyst for the removal of something else: the armor she built in childhood.

How Does the Body Store and Release Emotion?

Throughout the conversation, Crone emphasizes that emotions are not primarily mental events—they are somatic, nervous system phenomena. When he speaks about conditioned patterns becoming "deeper" as we age, he is referring to the way trauma and unprocessed emotion become increasingly embedded in the nervous system's structure. The longer an emotion remains unprocessed, the more it becomes part of the body's baseline.

Davina notes that she has been crying frequently since the surgery—multiple times a day—but she describes this as "traumatic crying" from which she wants relief. What Crone helps her understand is that this crying is not a problem; it is a solution in progress. The body is doing exactly what it needs to do: releasing material. The difference between "traumatic crying" and genuine emotional release is often just the quality of witness present.

In a safe space, with someone who does not pathologize emotion, does not rush toward resolution, and does not require her to manage his discomfort with her pain, the nervous system can begin to trust that it is safe to discharge. The tears become not a symptom of ongoing trauma but a passage through it.

What Is the Difference Between Self-Knowledge and Self-Compassion?

One of Davina's most vulnerable moments comes when she describes understanding what she needs but feeling unable to give it to herself. She can articulate the loneliness, can feel the connection to her childhood, can see the pattern—but she still cannot easily access self-compassion in relation to it. She has cultivated extraordinary body awareness and emotional literacy, yet these capacities had not softened her toward herself.

Crone points to this as a common experience: we can know ourselves deeply and still judge ourselves harshly. Understanding your wound is not the same as being gentle with your wound. Davina's work now, as she emerges from surgery and menopause and the death of old identity structures, is to hold her own pain with the same witnessing presence that Crone is offering her in this moment.

She begins to do this in real time. By the end of the conversation, she reports that the exercise of being fully witnessed in her pain, of not hiding it or managing it or performing through it, has shifted something. She feels less alone in the loneliness. The emotion is still there, but it is no longer imprisoned in shame.

Where to go from here

If you recognize yourself in this pattern—the high achiever who learned to perform connection because presence was unavailable, the person who can articulate their trauma but struggles to befriend it—the invitation is toward witnessed release. This does not require a therapist or a public conversation, though those can be helpful. It requires finding or creating spaces where your pain is not a burden to be managed but material to be held.

It means beginning to notice where you are still activating survival strategies that no longer serve you—the ways you override your body's signals, the ways you perform okay-ness, the ways you make yourself small or large to manage others' comfort. Emotional release is not just cathartic moment; it is the ongoing practice of letting the nervous system down-regulate from its old vigilance.

The work after major trauma—physical, relational, or both—is not to become stronger or more resilient. It is to become gentler, more permeable, more willing to let old structures collapse so that something more authentic can emerge. In Davina's case, this means allowing the always-on fitness guru to rest and reveal a deeper, more vulnerable human underneath. The tumor is gone. Now comes the longer, slower surgery of releasing who she had to be in order to survive.

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[0:00] Um, can I ask you to help me with

[0:02] something?

[0:02] >> Of course, you need to move uh new

[0:04] furniture or

[0:04] >> No, it's in my head.

[0:06] >> Okay.

[0:06] >> And my heart.

[0:07] >> Yes.

[0:08] >> And I'm going to start crying cuz it's

[0:09] like it's here every time I start

[0:11] talking about it.

[0:12] >> That's okay. I'm here for it.

[0:14] And I'm really grateful that you wanted

[0:16] to bring it up.

[0:17] >> I've

[0:18] not to take advantage of you.

[0:20] >> Yeah, please. Use and abuse me.

[0:24] I'm here for it. Let's go. What do you

[0:26] got?

[0:27] What are the skeletons that are about to

[0:29] be exposed?

[0:31] >> New.

[0:31] >> Okay.

[0:32] >> So, when I had my I had an operation

[0:34] last November.

[0:35] >> Okay.

[0:36] >> And

[0:37] I had a a

[0:39] uh I had a health check gifted to me

[0:42] in August 2024.

[0:44] >> Okay.

[0:45] >> And I didn't really want it cuz I'm

[0:46] health lady.

[0:47] >> Yeah.

[0:47] >> I'm Davina the exercise girl, 15 workout

[0:50] DVDs to my name.

[0:51] >> Yeah.

[0:52] >> I eat well.

[0:54] But they found a brain tumor. It was a

[0:55] benign brain tumor. And I spent

[0:58] um many months

[1:00] >> Yeah.

[1:01] >> um

[1:02] Well, at first I heard the word benign

[1:04] and I thought, "Well, I'm fine. I don't

[1:05] need to worry about that." And then 4

[1:06] months later they said, "We think you

[1:07] should do a follow-up."

[1:08] >> Mhm.

[1:09] >> And I found that was quite a rare

[1:11] thing. It's called a colloid cyst. It

[1:13] was in the middle of my brain.

[1:14] And um it was big. And if it grew any

[1:17] more,

[1:18] it could give me hydrocephalus and I

[1:21] would go into a coma and die if it

[1:22] wasn't taken out.

[1:23] >> Okay.

[1:24] >> And I said, "Yeah, but how like

[1:28] how quick would that happen?" And they

[1:29] said, "Look, if you were on a long-haul

[1:31] flight, do you take long-haul flights?"

[1:32] And I was like, "Yes, I go to Australia

[1:34] to go and see my daughter."

[1:36] And they said, "Well, it would be

[1:37] emergency landing operation in where

[1:39] whatever country you were in." And I was

[1:41] like, "Okay."

[1:41] >> Yeah.

[1:42] >> And I was thinking, "Yeah, I think I

[1:42] need to get it taken out."

[1:44] >> Yeah.

[1:45] >> Like

[1:47] um before that happens.

[1:48] >> Mhm.

[1:49] >> I don't want it in there anymore. And I

[1:51] got a couple of

[1:53] other opinions. And I spoke to three

[1:56] neurosurgeons, two who potentially were

[1:58] going to operate on me and one as a I'm

[2:00] paying you to have an opinion. You will

[2:02] never operate on me. What do I do?

[2:04] >> Mhm.

[2:05] >> And they said, "Definitely get it taken

[2:07] out."

[2:07] >> Mhm.

[2:08] >> Um it's big. I'm amazed you're not

[2:10] symptomatic now.

[2:12] >> Yeah.

[2:13] >> You need to do this. So, that was last

[2:14] April.

[2:15] >> Okay.

[2:17] >> And then I was like, "Okay, I need to

[2:18] get it taken out."

[2:20] And last November, on November the 15th,

[2:21] so nearly a year ago,

[2:24] um it was removed by a brilliant brain

[2:26] surgeon called Kevin O'Neil.

[2:28] >> Mhm.

[2:28] >> And uh he saved my life.

[2:31] >> Mhm.

[2:31] >> And I came to

[2:33] and um what happens when

[2:36] the colloid cyst is in the third

[2:38] ventricle, so it's in the area of

[2:39] memory.

[2:39] >> Okay.

[2:40] >> So, I woke up with no short-term memory

[2:42] >> Mhm.

[2:43] >> at all. I was in a minute loop.

[2:45] >> Okay.

[2:45] >> Like Dory.

[2:46] >> Yeah.

[2:47] >> And um

[2:48] I

[2:50] that was very, very difficult

[2:52] >> Mhm.

[2:52] >> on me me and Michael particularly, I

[2:55] think.

[2:56] Um

[2:59] But

[3:01] >> It's okay.

[3:05] It's okay.

[3:07] This is beautiful. I appreciate you

[3:09] sharing.

[3:12] >> Michael said to me

[3:14] Michael said to me, "If we ever lose

[3:15] each other

[3:17] again, just stay where you

[3:20] I'll come find you."

[3:21] >> Mhm.

[3:22] >> But I felt

[3:25] >> What?

[3:25] >> Lonely.

[3:27] >> Yeah.

[3:29] Yeah. It's okay.

[3:31] >> And what's happened since the operation

[3:37] is that

[3:38] I can't stop.

[3:42] I mean, I'm crying about it cuz I'm

[3:43] talking about it. So, this makes sense

[3:45] to me. Yeah, I'm crying cuz I'm telling

[3:47] you.

[3:48] >> Yeah.

[3:50] >> But

[3:51] if I talk about anything like four or

[3:54] five times a day.

[3:56] >> Mhm.

[3:56] >> And I love crying.

[3:58] >> Yeah.

[3:58] >> But I feel like it's

[4:01] traumatic crying and I want to let go.

[4:03] >> No, let it go.

[4:04] >> I want to just stop.

[4:06] >> It's okay.

[4:08] You know why you're in a safe space and

[4:09] this is the right time to have this

[4:11] conversation.

[4:12] Yeah, it's it's okay.

[4:17] It's okay.

[4:19] No, no, nothing to hide. Apologize about

[4:21] this. It's beautiful. It's okay.

[4:24] Take a towel. Take a towel.

[4:26] It's okay.

[4:28] It's okay. Just breathe. Just breathe.

[4:29] It's okay.

[4:33] It's okay.

[4:36] Tell me. It's okay.

[4:39] It's okay.

[4:41] Nothing wrong at all.

[4:50] >> Sorry.

[4:50] >> It's okay.

[4:52] It's okay.

[4:54] >> I don't know.

[4:56] Sorry.

[4:57] >> I'm just with you.

[4:58] >> Okay.

[4:58] >> You got a strong grip, by the way.

[5:02] Training what?

[5:05] It's okay. It's beautiful.

[5:10] Just take a couple of breaths.

[5:15] Felt like an exorcism, isn't it?

[5:17] >> Yeah, I haven't done that for a while,

[5:18] that big.

[5:19] >> Yeah.

[5:22] Yeah. What would you say

[5:24] in everything that you shared, which I

[5:26] tracked, what would you say is the thing

[5:28] that felt the most

[5:31] impactful? Is it when you said that you

[5:32] just feel so alone?

[5:34] That felt like that was Yeah.

[5:38] Yeah. How often do you remember feeling

[5:40] that when you were young, especially

[5:42] with a mom like me?

[5:46] Yeah.

[5:48] It's okay.

[5:51] Just let it your body's just letting go

[5:53] of stuff.

[5:57] It's okay.

[5:59] I think it can be uncontrollable at

[6:00] times.

[6:06] It's okay.

[6:10] Take your time.

[6:20] This is okay.

[6:23] So, when this stuff is stored, as I was

[6:25] saying earlier, the older we get, you

[6:27] know, and be the both of us are a little

[6:28] long in the tooth now,

[6:30] these conditioned patterns are that much

[6:32] deeper.

[6:35] So, just

[6:36] just needs a bit of time and patience.

[6:38] I'm an exception for it all to come to

[6:40] the surface. It's okay.

[6:42] >> But you know, it's so I am so in tune

[6:45] with myself.

[6:46] >> Yeah.

[6:47] Clearly, I can see that, how your body

[6:48] responds.

[6:49] >> I

[6:50] never

[6:51] put those two things together. That is

[6:54] so funny. I'm normally like Mrs. Oh, I

[6:57] feel like that because of this.

[6:59] >> Mhm.

[7:01] >> Do you know, I can almost even now,

[7:03] because I now know that to be a thing.

[7:05] >> Yeah.

[7:08] >> Oh, man. This has just helped me so

[7:11] much. That's the weirdest thing.

[7:13] >> Mhm.

[7:15] >> I felt so alone. I was on a WhatsApp

[7:18] group. Michael made these amazing

[7:20] WhatsApp groups to keep everybody

[7:22] posted.

[7:23] >> Yeah.

[7:26] >> And I was on these WhatsApp groups, and

[7:28] all this love

[7:30] was pouring out for me and for Michael.

[7:32] >> Mhm.

[7:32] >> And I just couldn't bear to read it.

[7:35] >> Yeah.

[7:36] >> Because I felt I was in the hospital.

[7:39] >> Mhm.

[7:40] >> And I was on my own.

[7:41] >> Yeah.

[7:43] >> And I had no short-term memory, so I

[7:45] wasn't fully aware of what was happening

[7:47] to me, but I just all I could

[7:50] I was lonely. I was like literally

[7:51] crying out. I was so lonely.

[7:53] >> Yeah.

[7:54] >> But I didn't know why.

[7:56] >> Yeah.

[7:58] >> Felt irrational. I could see it all

[8:01] coming through on the WhatsApps, but I

[8:03] just couldn't get to anywhere where I

[8:05] felt comfort.

[8:07] >> Yeah.

[8:07] >> Wow.

[8:09] >> Yeah, but you also had that experience

[8:11] so much.

[8:12] >> Behavior, right?

[8:12] >> It's not even the behavior, it's the

[8:14] experience.

[8:15] >> Mhm.

[8:15] >> So, you think about that little girl

[8:18] in the presence of a mother who isn't

[8:21] present,

[8:22] your mother.

[8:24] >> Yeah.

[8:24] >> Imagine what it would be like for a kid

[8:26] in the presence of a parent who's not

[8:28] there. What is that experience going to

[8:29] be like for a kid?

[8:32] Completely lonely. And you've done such

[8:34] a great job, and we could really

[8:36] overanalyze everything in terms of your

[8:38] career, who you've become, super

[8:39] gregarious, super playful.

[8:41] >> No, I did it all for my mom.

[8:42] >> Well, but it looked like it. And when

[8:45] you don't understand, you didn't do it

[8:46] for your mom, you did it for your own

[8:47] survival.

[8:48] >> Yeah, that's exactly it.

[8:50] >> And what's happening now is you're going

[8:52] through a death.

[8:53] >> Mhm.

[8:54] >> But, you know, heavy.

[8:56] Or overly, you know, profound of a word

[8:58] to use, but that's what I heard when you

[8:59] were describing your menopause, and you

[9:01] went from the peaks and the troughs of a

[9:03] normal cycle to this sort of more

[9:05] gracious undulation. It's a death.

[9:09] And what I'm working with, I actually

[9:11] have, you know, parameters to give

[9:13] someone that I work with about egoic

[9:15] surgery and how to treat yourself

[9:16] afterwards. Cuz if you had surgery,

[9:19] which you did, you go home, and they

[9:20] tell you to conduct yourself in a You

[9:22] got to rest and hydrate and drink and,

[9:24] you know, da da da.

[9:26] But this is a form of death that you're

[9:27] going through.

[9:28] >> Yeah.

[9:29] >> But it's the most beautiful expression

[9:30] of life. I say, if you're going to stay

[9:32] alive, then you have to constantly die

[9:33] to the old iterations of yourself. This

[9:35] is just really, really old. This is a

[9:38] girl who was in a very, very scary

[9:40] environment.

[9:42] Felt completely isolated, no different

[9:44] than you being in a bed.

[9:45] >> Yes.

[9:46] >> With all of the world around you that

[9:48] seems to be a good, you know, it seemed

[9:49] Well, that is my mom and that is my

[9:51] parents and that everything seems to be

[9:53] okay, but I My experience of life is

[9:56] complete isolation.

[9:58] >> Mhm.

[9:59] >> Which is for a girl scary as hell.

[10:01] >> Mhm.

[10:02] >> Right?

[10:03] And so much of what your body is letting

[10:04] go of is like a gazelle that gets chased

[10:06] by a lion in a state of

[10:09] being terrified.

[10:11] The shudders and everything that you're

[10:13] experiencing now is where your tissues

[10:14] are releasing all of that old trauma

[10:18] of a little girl who was so powerless,

[10:21] so scared, just wanted like any child to

[10:23] be loved and accepted,

[10:26] and didn't know how to access it until

[10:28] you got on it all of your your skills

[10:30] and

[10:31] show plays and whatever you had to do to

[10:34] show and tell

[10:36] to try and get love and acceptance.

[10:38] >> It's like you with the

[10:40] >> Yeah. Yeah.

[10:43] And it's exhausting.

[10:45] >> Do you know what?

[10:52] Wow.

[10:54] >> And you don't have to do that anymore.

[10:57] It's actually, and I want you to listen

[10:59] to this very carefully

[11:01] and look at me.

[11:03] It's impossible to be alone.

[11:06] It's impossible.

[11:08] The only experience we can have of

[11:10] loneliness is when we're misidentified

[11:14] with the part of us that doesn't feel

[11:16] seen, heard, and held.

[11:18] But the opportunity is for us

[11:21] to hold that part.

[11:22] >> Yes.

[11:24] >> You had a soul contract with your mom

[11:25] for her to not be fully present so that

[11:27] you could experience this right now and

[11:29] realize the the of your capacity

[11:33] to hold yourself,

[11:35] to love yourself,

[11:36] and fundamentally to know that you're

[11:38] safe.

[11:42] yeah.

[11:44] Cuz for a little girl in that

[11:45] environment, one of the main prisons

[11:47] that you're going to be born into is

[11:48] that you're not safe.

[11:50] And I can't imagine I can imagine how

[11:52] that showed up in relationships, the way

[11:55] you conducted yourself,

[11:56] the kind of boys you attracted when you

[11:58] were younger.

[11:59] >> I mean,

[12:01] like you know me, right?

[12:02] >> Yeah.

[12:03] Well, you're deeper than most people

[12:05] right now.

[12:05] >> me, right?

[12:07] >> Yeah.

[12:07] >> Yeah.

[12:09] Um I have spent like a few years

[12:14] gathering

[12:15] mm lost bits of myself from various

[12:19] corners of my life and reintegrating

[12:21] them

[12:23] into my heart.

[12:24] >> Yeah.

[12:24] >> But I feel like I've just done a really

[12:26] good one today.

[12:29] >> Yeah.

[12:30] I've

[12:30] >> I was

[12:31] I was blaming a lot of other things

[12:33] around me for the way that I felt.

[12:36] >> Yeah.

[12:37] >> But it is just because I couldn't find

[12:39] it in myself

[12:40] >> Yeah.

[12:40] >> to support myself at that time.

[12:42] >> Yeah.

[12:43] >> When you said

[12:44] you couldn't find it in yourself

[12:46] to take care of yourself.

[12:48] >> Yeah.

[12:50] >> Um I was looking for external

[12:53] um

[12:56] I

[12:57] And that really helped because

[13:05] I didn't need external. I was there and

[13:07] I had

[13:09] I had my own back, you know.

[13:12] I couldn't feel it.

[13:13] >> And beyond that, life's got your back.

[13:15] See, for a woman as a mother,

[13:17] often times if you were to in

[13:20] envisage love as a symbol, it's kind of

[13:23] like you embrace, right? You've done

[13:24] that how many times? To loved ones, to

[13:26] kids.

[13:28] But what I'm pointing to is there's a

[13:30] set of arms that go around you, too.

[13:33] >> Oh, right. Yes, okay. You're never

[13:34] alone. Okay, I see what you mean now.

[13:36] >> That's life.

[13:37] >> Yes.

[13:38] >> Life. For some people, it's God, it's

[13:40] Allah, it's Jesus, it's Buddha. It It

[13:42] doesn't matter what you call it. God

[13:43] like

[13:44] life, the universe has got your back.

[13:46] >> Mhm.

[13:47] >> And that little girl who felt so

[13:48] isolated, there's other components to it

[13:50] that I see that I'm not going to leave

[13:52] you hanging with, but that was the big

[13:53] one, right? Is that you're just

[13:54] completely alone. And when you're alone,

[13:56] you have to feel hurt and scared.

[13:58] And then you'll compensate however you

[13:59] have to.

[14:01] It's a horrible place to be. That was my

[14:03] experience when my dad died. I can

[14:05] remember standing inside of my bedroom,

[14:07] literally alone. Not the mental

[14:09] emotional experience that everybody

[14:10] listening has as a feeling of isolation

[14:12] cuz they're an an ego and the I. That is

[14:15] separation.

[14:17] So that, I think, to go back to your one

[14:18] of your questions earlier, why did I

[14:20] develop this? Cuz I felt

[14:22] how just horrific and tragic it is to

[14:25] think that you're alone.

[14:27] It's I think it's the worst feeling.

[14:29] >> Yeah.

[14:29] >> And so for many kids like you who are

[14:31] brought up in an environment where

[14:33] there's hostility, abuse, alcoholism,

[14:35] the absence of love,

[14:37] that kid is so scared and so isolated,

[14:40] they don't know where to go, often

[14:41] walking around on eggshells. But for

[14:43] you, what I see is some other bedfellows

[14:45] to that is it was all up to you.

[14:48] Right? Mom wasn't there. She was

[14:49] incapacitated. So why you become so

[14:52] successful, why you become such a

[14:53] leader, a role model for women,

[14:55] is because part of your genuine nature

[14:58] is to be somebody who's dynamic and

[15:01] powerful. But much of it was built on

[15:03] this dysfunction, maladaptive thinking

[15:06] that it's all up to you to make it, cuz

[15:08] who else got

[15:09] >> so grateful for that though, that's

[15:10] what's so funny about it.

[15:12] >> Exactly. It's a beauty like for me, too.

[15:14] Right? I became fiercely independent

[15:15] because I had to be.

[15:16] >> Yeah.

[15:17] >> That could have become an obstacle in

[15:19] certain relationships when I was younger

[15:20] cuz I didn't really need anyone. That's

[15:22] also a barrier to companionship and

[15:24] love. Made me very powerful and nothing

[15:27] really fazed me.

[15:28] But what I hear in you is there's a

[15:30] subtle if it's up to you, there's way

[15:32] too much pressure.

[15:33] It doesn't really allow for

[15:34] contribution, which is why I love

[15:35] moments when Michael puts his hand on

[15:37] your heart. He gives he he allows you to

[15:40] integrate those parts of you that

[15:43] perhaps are still dysfunctional.

[15:45] But the last thing because you gave me

[15:46] an intel as you spoke about the the

[15:48] tumor where you preempted it. If you

[15:51] listen to this recording, you kind of

[15:53] gave a quick snapshot of your resume.

[15:56] Right, with all the CDs and the DVDs and

[15:58] all the things you've done in this world

[16:00] of fitness. So just consider as an

[16:03] invitation, I'm not saying it's a truth.

[16:05] There's a part of you as a proud woman,

[16:06] as a smart woman, as a successful woman,

[16:08] there could be a little bit of shame

[16:10] there, too, or confusion. How can I, of

[16:13] all people, with the fitness and the

[16:15] thing that I've done to

[16:17] get a brain tumor?

[16:20] That's what I feel subtly. It's not as

[16:21] big as what you just went through.

[16:23] >> was interesting though cuz I

[16:25] interestingly cuz I did cross I did do

[16:27] that whole thing

[16:29] >> Yeah.

[16:29] >> when I got it.

[16:30] >> Yeah.

[16:30] >> I said, "I don't understand. What have I

[16:32] done?"

[16:32] >> Yeah.

[16:33] >> So I did that

[16:34] >> Yeah.

[16:34] >> already. But what was really fascinating

[16:37] about it

[16:38] is that I got it in utero.

[16:41] >> Okay.

[16:42] >> It was with me in my mother's womb.

[16:44] >> Yeah.

[16:45] >> And it's just grown very slowly over

[16:46] time.

[16:47] >> Okay.

[16:47] >> So I could park that.

[16:48] >> Yeah.

[16:49] >> But I did exactly that.

[16:50] >> Yeah.

[16:51] >> It was quite funny that you should say

[16:53] that.

[16:53] >> Cuz I feel it's a remnant. It's

[16:55] residual. It's not as strong as the

[16:56] feeling of being alone as an illusion,

[16:59] but really the guilt and shame of, you

[17:01] know, either self-judgment. How could I

[17:03] or what did I do wrong?

[17:05] You know, the the energy of fault which

[17:08] a kid could take on with a parent that's

[17:10] not absent or is absent. Not present.

[17:13] The kid often will think, "What It's my

[17:15] fault.

[17:16] What have I done?"

[17:18] Which again exacerbates the loneliness,

[17:19] but also the guilt and shame.

[17:21] >> Yeah, the other thing that's interesting

[17:23] about us

[17:24] pinpointing loneliness

[17:26] God, it's just so

[17:30] is that

[17:32] Michael and I often talk about slightly

[17:34] feeling like islands.

[17:35] >> Yeah.

[17:36] >> You know, we've got big families and

[17:38] everything, but we're a bit different.

[17:39] >> Yeah.

[17:41] >> And

[17:42] not in a not in a bad way. We're not

[17:43] isolated by anybody, but we just feel a

[17:45] bit different.

[17:46] >> I'm a freak of nature, so I you're

[17:47] taking into the choir.

[17:49] >> And um

[17:51] so an island that I think is another way

[17:53] of saying you're a bit lonely, you know.

[17:55] >> Yeah.

[17:55] >> But we've said that

[17:57] we've built a little archipelago.

[17:59] >> Yeah.

[18:00] >> So we're two islands, we've come

[18:01] together, we've built a bridge.

[18:02] >> I love that.

[18:03] >> And we can still be

[18:05] >> Yeah.

[18:05] >> on our own.

[18:06] >> Absolutely.

[18:07] >> But we're right next to each other.

[18:09] >> Yeah.

[18:10] >> And I I've found

[18:12] you know, you're talking about feeling

[18:13] safe.

[18:14] >> Yeah.

[18:14] >> I've found safety in that.

[18:16] >> Yeah.

[18:16] >> Feeling like that. Like

[18:18] I'm not I don't have to merge with

[18:20] someone, but I can just be right next

[18:22] door.

[18:23] >> And I'm going to expand that beautiful

[18:25] image for you. There's another bridge

[18:27] that goes off both of your islands,

[18:30] which is part of the whole,

[18:32] which is life itself.

[18:33] >> Yes.

[18:34] Yeah.

[18:35] >> And that's true belonging, that you're

[18:37] not separate to life. You can't not be

[18:40] in the gang of the universe.

[18:41] >> Yeah.

[18:42] >> And so no matter what it does is it

[18:44] doesn't put any pressure then on your

[18:45] relationship as though, "Oh, he's my

[18:47] only safe haven. He's my only one that

[18:49] understands me." Cuz that would then be

[18:51] a dysfunctional way to be

[18:53] coincide.

[18:54] >> not us against the world.

[18:55] >> Yeah.

[18:56] >> Mhm.

[18:56] >> Which also can create superiority

[18:58] complexes. And maybe energetically

[19:00] people might feel that they can't get

[19:02] close to you.

[19:02] >> Can't get close, yeah. Well, that's

[19:04] definitely not the case with us, for

[19:05] sure.

[19:05] >> No. No, and I can see that.

[19:07] >> would not want that to be.

[19:08] >> No, and that's why

[19:09] >> That's a really nice visual.

[19:12] >> Is that you can't not be part of the

[19:14] whole.

[19:15] >> Everything.

[19:15] >> Mhm.

[19:16] >> Everything. And what it does is is that

[19:18] image of the arms around you, you're

[19:20] both held.

[19:22] And whilst you create this beautiful

[19:23] little Loki ecosystem of your own love

[19:25] and your own joy and your own

[19:26] preferences for life and where you go

[19:28] and what you do. But that's part of the

[19:31] whole.

[19:32] Just like every cell in our body has its

[19:34] own little function and its own little

[19:36] arena of, you know, a thigh cell and an

[19:39] eye cell and a lung cell and kidney

[19:40] cell. But collectively it creates this

[19:43] beautiful organism called a human being.

[19:45] And that's the universe of which we're

[19:47] all a part.

[19:48] And you play your role. But as long as

[19:50] you think you're separate, that's

[19:51] dysfunction. That is actually cancer.

[19:54] A cancerous cell has lost its connection

[19:56] to intelligence.

[19:57] >> Yes.

[19:58] >> It's in a hostile environment. And so

[20:00] it's like, I got to take care of myself.

[20:02] >> Mhm.

[20:03] >> And so what we just did there is bring

[20:05] to the surface one of the hostile

[20:06] conversations you were living in, which

[20:08] is you're alone.

[20:09] That's a very hostile space to live in.

[20:12] It makes sense that under that pressure

[20:14] thinking it's up to you that you would

[20:15] create some sort of physiological

[20:17] anomaly.

[20:19] And now you can see it's all BS. It's a

[20:21] lie.

[20:22] And in the absence of that concern

[20:24] you get to be what we just witnessed,

[20:26] which is liberated, free, totally at

[20:29] peace, and completely a part of the

[20:31] whole.

[20:36] Louder for the people in the back.

[20:39] >> Thank you.

[20:41] >> Thank you, my dear. You're such a

[20:42] sweetheart. I had no idea that was going

[20:43] to happen, but that's what we spoke

[20:45] about earlier.

[20:45] >> Do you know what's quite funny?

[20:49] I've been thinking all day, like

[20:51] I wonder if Peter, cuz I often kind of

[20:53] see you talking to people about

[20:55] their childhood stuff, so I thought, oh,

[20:57] I'm

[20:58] I'm sorted

[20:59] >> Yeah.

[20:59] >> in that arena. My thing's more recent,

[21:02] like it's about my op.

[21:03] >> Yeah.

[21:04] >> I can't stop crying and I don't know

[21:05] why.

[21:06] >> Yeah.

[21:07] >> And it went right back to my childhood.

[21:10] >> You kept trimming the weeds on the

[21:11] surface and I was like, "No, no, that

[21:13] root goes down quite a way."

[21:15] Yeah. Nothing to do with the tumor. The

[21:18] tumor was symbolic

[21:20] >> Symbolic, yeah. Well, it's

[21:22] it was a gift.

[21:23] >> Yeah.

[21:24] It was.

[21:25] >> me here.

[21:26] >> Yeah.

[21:27] To reunite with the gang that you were

[21:29] never not a part of.

[21:32] >> Isn't that cool?

[21:32] >> That's mind-blowing.

[21:34] >> Yeah.

[21:36] >> Um Peter.

[21:37] >> Yes.

[21:39] >> Um is there anything I can do for you?

[21:44] >> Getting a bit peckish.

[21:47] >> I'll get you some food.

[21:48] >> I'm good.

[21:49] Thank you, love.

[21:50] >> Awful lot.

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Peter Crone does not claim direct causation, but he suggests that chronic nervous system activation from unprocessed trauma creates internal pressure that the body registers over time. In Davina's case, the brain tumor was a medical condition, but the way her nervous system adapted to early maternal abandonment created patterns of survival that maintained constant activation—a state he links to broader health burden.
The nervous system learns through relational experience. When someone is present without judgment, without rushing toward resolution, and without requiring you to manage their discomfort with your pain, the nervous system begins to trust it is safe to discharge old material. Davina's breakthrough occurred specifically because Crone created this kind of witnessed safety.
A child in the presence of an emotionally unavailable parent learns that proximity does not guarantee connection, activating a survival mode that often manifests as hyperactivity, people-pleasing, or constant performance of connection. Davina built a career on movement and energy—adaptive strategies that protected her but also prevented her from accessing genuine vulnerability and rest.
Egoic surgery refers to the psychological death of old identity structures that must occur for genuine healing. When you undergo physical surgery, you rest and hydrate; egoic surgery requires the same care but for the self-structures you built to survive. Davina is moving through both simultaneously—physical recovery and the release of the hyperactive identity that no longer serves her.
Yes. Davina demonstrates extraordinary body awareness and emotional literacy—she can feel and articulate her pain—yet she had not extended compassion toward herself for that pain. Understanding your wound intellectually is different from holding it gently; both capacities are necessary for genuine healing.
Crone describes menopause as a form of death—a transition from the peaks and troughs of reproductive cycles to a different hormonal undulation. This biological death mirrors the psychological death Davina is undergoing in releasing old survival identities. Both are natural processes requiring integration rather than resistance.
When grief, loneliness, or emotion are treated as problems requiring fixing, the nervous system remains defended. When they are met with witness and acceptance, the body can move through them. Davina's frequent crying post-surgery was not pathology but the nervous system processing trapped material—a healthy process when held with compassion.

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