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[0:00] Um, can I ask you to help me with
[0:02] something?
[0:02] >> Of course, you need to move uh new
[0:04] furniture or
[0:04] >> No, it's in my head.
[0:06] >> Okay.
[0:06] >> And my heart.
[0:07] >> Yes.
[0:08] >> And I'm going to start crying cuz it's
[0:09] like it's here every time I start
[0:11] talking about it.
[0:12] >> That's okay. I'm here for it.
[0:14] And I'm really grateful that you wanted
[0:16] to bring it up.
[0:17] >> I've
[0:18] not to take advantage of you.
[0:20] >> Yeah, please. Use and abuse me.
[0:24] I'm here for it. Let's go. What do you
[0:26] got?
[0:27] What are the skeletons that are about to
[0:29] be exposed?
[0:31] >> New.
[0:31] >> Okay.
[0:32] >> So, when I had my I had an operation
[0:34] last November.
[0:35] >> Okay.
[0:36] >> And
[0:37] I had a a
[0:39] uh I had a health check gifted to me
[0:42] in August 2024.
[0:44] >> Okay.
[0:45] >> And I didn't really want it cuz I'm
[0:46] health lady.
[0:47] >> Yeah.
[0:47] >> I'm Davina the exercise girl, 15 workout
[0:50] DVDs to my name.
[0:51] >> Yeah.
[0:52] >> I eat well.
[0:54] But they found a brain tumor. It was a
[0:55] benign brain tumor. And I spent
[0:58] um many months
[1:00] >> Yeah.
[1:01] >> um
[1:02] Well, at first I heard the word benign
[1:04] and I thought, "Well, I'm fine. I don't
[1:05] need to worry about that." And then 4
[1:06] months later they said, "We think you
[1:07] should do a follow-up."
[1:08] >> Mhm.
[1:09] >> And I found that was quite a rare
[1:11] thing. It's called a colloid cyst. It
[1:13] was in the middle of my brain.
[1:14] And um it was big. And if it grew any
[1:17] more,
[1:18] it could give me hydrocephalus and I
[1:21] would go into a coma and die if it
[1:22] wasn't taken out.
[1:23] >> Okay.
[1:24] >> And I said, "Yeah, but how like
[1:28] how quick would that happen?" And they
[1:29] said, "Look, if you were on a long-haul
[1:31] flight, do you take long-haul flights?"
[1:32] And I was like, "Yes, I go to Australia
[1:34] to go and see my daughter."
[1:36] And they said, "Well, it would be
[1:37] emergency landing operation in where
[1:39] whatever country you were in." And I was
[1:41] like, "Okay."
[1:41] >> Yeah.
[1:42] >> And I was thinking, "Yeah, I think I
[1:42] need to get it taken out."
[1:44] >> Yeah.
[1:45] >> Like
[1:47] um before that happens.
[1:48] >> Mhm.
[1:49] >> I don't want it in there anymore. And I
[1:51] got a couple of
[1:53] other opinions. And I spoke to three
[1:56] neurosurgeons, two who potentially were
[1:58] going to operate on me and one as a I'm
[2:00] paying you to have an opinion. You will
[2:02] never operate on me. What do I do?
[2:04] >> Mhm.
[2:05] >> And they said, "Definitely get it taken
[2:07] out."
[2:07] >> Mhm.
[2:08] >> Um it's big. I'm amazed you're not
[2:10] symptomatic now.
[2:12] >> Yeah.
[2:13] >> You need to do this. So, that was last
[2:14] April.
[2:15] >> Okay.
[2:17] >> And then I was like, "Okay, I need to
[2:18] get it taken out."
[2:20] And last November, on November the 15th,
[2:21] so nearly a year ago,
[2:24] um it was removed by a brilliant brain
[2:26] surgeon called Kevin O'Neil.
[2:28] >> Mhm.
[2:28] >> And uh he saved my life.
[2:31] >> Mhm.
[2:31] >> And I came to
[2:33] and um what happens when
[2:36] the colloid cyst is in the third
[2:38] ventricle, so it's in the area of
[2:39] memory.
[2:39] >> Okay.
[2:40] >> So, I woke up with no short-term memory
[2:42] >> Mhm.
[2:43] >> at all. I was in a minute loop.
[2:45] >> Okay.
[2:45] >> Like Dory.
[2:46] >> Yeah.
[2:47] >> And um
[2:48] I
[2:50] that was very, very difficult
[2:52] >> Mhm.
[2:52] >> on me me and Michael particularly, I
[2:55] think.
[2:56] Um
[2:59] But
[3:01] >> It's okay.
[3:05] It's okay.
[3:07] This is beautiful. I appreciate you
[3:09] sharing.
[3:12] >> Michael said to me
[3:14] Michael said to me, "If we ever lose
[3:15] each other
[3:17] again, just stay where you
[3:20] I'll come find you."
[3:21] >> Mhm.
[3:22] >> But I felt
[3:25] >> What?
[3:25] >> Lonely.
[3:27] >> Yeah.
[3:29] Yeah. It's okay.
[3:31] >> And what's happened since the operation
[3:37] is that
[3:38] I can't stop.
[3:42] I mean, I'm crying about it cuz I'm
[3:43] talking about it. So, this makes sense
[3:45] to me. Yeah, I'm crying cuz I'm telling
[3:47] you.
[3:48] >> Yeah.
[3:50] >> But
[3:51] if I talk about anything like four or
[3:54] five times a day.
[3:56] >> Mhm.
[3:56] >> And I love crying.
[3:58] >> Yeah.
[3:58] >> But I feel like it's
[4:01] traumatic crying and I want to let go.
[4:03] >> No, let it go.
[4:04] >> I want to just stop.
[4:06] >> It's okay.
[4:08] You know why you're in a safe space and
[4:09] this is the right time to have this
[4:11] conversation.
[4:12] Yeah, it's it's okay.
[4:17] It's okay.
[4:19] No, no, nothing to hide. Apologize about
[4:21] this. It's beautiful. It's okay.
[4:24] Take a towel. Take a towel.
[4:26] It's okay.
[4:28] It's okay. Just breathe. Just breathe.
[4:29] It's okay.
[4:33] It's okay.
[4:36] Tell me. It's okay.
[4:39] It's okay.
[4:41] Nothing wrong at all.
[4:50] >> Sorry.
[4:50] >> It's okay.
[4:52] It's okay.
[4:54] >> I don't know.
[4:56] Sorry.
[4:57] >> I'm just with you.
[4:58] >> Okay.
[4:58] >> You got a strong grip, by the way.
[5:02] Training what?
[5:05] It's okay. It's beautiful.
[5:10] Just take a couple of breaths.
[5:15] Felt like an exorcism, isn't it?
[5:17] >> Yeah, I haven't done that for a while,
[5:18] that big.
[5:19] >> Yeah.
[5:22] Yeah. What would you say
[5:24] in everything that you shared, which I
[5:26] tracked, what would you say is the thing
[5:28] that felt the most
[5:31] impactful? Is it when you said that you
[5:32] just feel so alone?
[5:34] That felt like that was Yeah.
[5:38] Yeah. How often do you remember feeling
[5:40] that when you were young, especially
[5:42] with a mom like me?
[5:46] Yeah.
[5:48] It's okay.
[5:51] Just let it your body's just letting go
[5:53] of stuff.
[5:57] It's okay.
[5:59] I think it can be uncontrollable at
[6:00] times.
[6:06] It's okay.
[6:10] Take your time.
[6:20] This is okay.
[6:23] So, when this stuff is stored, as I was
[6:25] saying earlier, the older we get, you
[6:27] know, and be the both of us are a little
[6:28] long in the tooth now,
[6:30] these conditioned patterns are that much
[6:32] deeper.
[6:35] So, just
[6:36] just needs a bit of time and patience.
[6:38] I'm an exception for it all to come to
[6:40] the surface. It's okay.
[6:42] >> But you know, it's so I am so in tune
[6:45] with myself.
[6:46] >> Yeah.
[6:47] Clearly, I can see that, how your body
[6:48] responds.
[6:49] >> I
[6:50] never
[6:51] put those two things together. That is
[6:54] so funny. I'm normally like Mrs. Oh, I
[6:57] feel like that because of this.
[6:59] >> Mhm.
[7:01] >> Do you know, I can almost even now,
[7:03] because I now know that to be a thing.
[7:05] >> Yeah.
[7:08] >> Oh, man. This has just helped me so
[7:11] much. That's the weirdest thing.
[7:13] >> Mhm.
[7:15] >> I felt so alone. I was on a WhatsApp
[7:18] group. Michael made these amazing
[7:20] WhatsApp groups to keep everybody
[7:22] posted.
[7:23] >> Yeah.
[7:26] >> And I was on these WhatsApp groups, and
[7:28] all this love
[7:30] was pouring out for me and for Michael.
[7:32] >> Mhm.
[7:32] >> And I just couldn't bear to read it.
[7:35] >> Yeah.
[7:36] >> Because I felt I was in the hospital.
[7:39] >> Mhm.
[7:40] >> And I was on my own.
[7:41] >> Yeah.
[7:43] >> And I had no short-term memory, so I
[7:45] wasn't fully aware of what was happening
[7:47] to me, but I just all I could
[7:50] I was lonely. I was like literally
[7:51] crying out. I was so lonely.
[7:53] >> Yeah.
[7:54] >> But I didn't know why.
[7:56] >> Yeah.
[7:58] >> Felt irrational. I could see it all
[8:01] coming through on the WhatsApps, but I
[8:03] just couldn't get to anywhere where I
[8:05] felt comfort.
[8:07] >> Yeah.
[8:07] >> Wow.
[8:09] >> Yeah, but you also had that experience
[8:11] so much.
[8:12] >> Behavior, right?
[8:12] >> It's not even the behavior, it's the
[8:14] experience.
[8:15] >> Mhm.
[8:15] >> So, you think about that little girl
[8:18] in the presence of a mother who isn't
[8:21] present,
[8:22] your mother.
[8:24] >> Yeah.
[8:24] >> Imagine what it would be like for a kid
[8:26] in the presence of a parent who's not
[8:28] there. What is that experience going to
[8:29] be like for a kid?
[8:32] Completely lonely. And you've done such
[8:34] a great job, and we could really
[8:36] overanalyze everything in terms of your
[8:38] career, who you've become, super
[8:39] gregarious, super playful.
[8:41] >> No, I did it all for my mom.
[8:42] >> Well, but it looked like it. And when
[8:45] you don't understand, you didn't do it
[8:46] for your mom, you did it for your own
[8:47] survival.
[8:48] >> Yeah, that's exactly it.
[8:50] >> And what's happening now is you're going
[8:52] through a death.
[8:53] >> Mhm.
[8:54] >> But, you know, heavy.
[8:56] Or overly, you know, profound of a word
[8:58] to use, but that's what I heard when you
[8:59] were describing your menopause, and you
[9:01] went from the peaks and the troughs of a
[9:03] normal cycle to this sort of more
[9:05] gracious undulation. It's a death.
[9:09] And what I'm working with, I actually
[9:11] have, you know, parameters to give
[9:13] someone that I work with about egoic
[9:15] surgery and how to treat yourself
[9:16] afterwards. Cuz if you had surgery,
[9:19] which you did, you go home, and they
[9:20] tell you to conduct yourself in a You
[9:22] got to rest and hydrate and drink and,
[9:24] you know, da da da.
[9:26] But this is a form of death that you're
[9:27] going through.
[9:28] >> Yeah.
[9:29] >> But it's the most beautiful expression
[9:30] of life. I say, if you're going to stay
[9:32] alive, then you have to constantly die
[9:33] to the old iterations of yourself. This
[9:35] is just really, really old. This is a
[9:38] girl who was in a very, very scary
[9:40] environment.
[9:42] Felt completely isolated, no different
[9:44] than you being in a bed.
[9:45] >> Yes.
[9:46] >> With all of the world around you that
[9:48] seems to be a good, you know, it seemed
[9:49] Well, that is my mom and that is my
[9:51] parents and that everything seems to be
[9:53] okay, but I My experience of life is
[9:56] complete isolation.
[9:58] >> Mhm.
[9:59] >> Which is for a girl scary as hell.
[10:01] >> Mhm.
[10:02] >> Right?
[10:03] And so much of what your body is letting
[10:04] go of is like a gazelle that gets chased
[10:06] by a lion in a state of
[10:09] being terrified.
[10:11] The shudders and everything that you're
[10:13] experiencing now is where your tissues
[10:14] are releasing all of that old trauma
[10:18] of a little girl who was so powerless,
[10:21] so scared, just wanted like any child to
[10:23] be loved and accepted,
[10:26] and didn't know how to access it until
[10:28] you got on it all of your your skills
[10:30] and
[10:31] show plays and whatever you had to do to
[10:34] show and tell
[10:36] to try and get love and acceptance.
[10:38] >> It's like you with the
[10:40] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[10:43] And it's exhausting.
[10:45] >> Do you know what?
[10:52] Wow.
[10:54] >> And you don't have to do that anymore.
[10:57] It's actually, and I want you to listen
[10:59] to this very carefully
[11:01] and look at me.
[11:03] It's impossible to be alone.
[11:06] It's impossible.
[11:08] The only experience we can have of
[11:10] loneliness is when we're misidentified
[11:14] with the part of us that doesn't feel
[11:16] seen, heard, and held.
[11:18] But the opportunity is for us
[11:21] to hold that part.
[11:22] >> Yes.
[11:24] >> You had a soul contract with your mom
[11:25] for her to not be fully present so that
[11:27] you could experience this right now and
[11:29] realize the the of your capacity
[11:33] to hold yourself,
[11:35] to love yourself,
[11:36] and fundamentally to know that you're
[11:38] safe.
[11:42] yeah.
[11:44] Cuz for a little girl in that
[11:45] environment, one of the main prisons
[11:47] that you're going to be born into is
[11:48] that you're not safe.
[11:50] And I can't imagine I can imagine how
[11:52] that showed up in relationships, the way
[11:55] you conducted yourself,
[11:56] the kind of boys you attracted when you
[11:58] were younger.
[11:59] >> I mean,
[12:01] like you know me, right?
[12:02] >> Yeah.
[12:03] Well, you're deeper than most people
[12:05] right now.
[12:05] >> me, right?
[12:07] >> Yeah.
[12:07] >> Yeah.
[12:09] Um I have spent like a few years
[12:14] gathering
[12:15] mm lost bits of myself from various
[12:19] corners of my life and reintegrating
[12:21] them
[12:23] into my heart.
[12:24] >> Yeah.
[12:24] >> But I feel like I've just done a really
[12:26] good one today.
[12:29] >> Yeah.
[12:30] I've
[12:30] >> I was
[12:31] I was blaming a lot of other things
[12:33] around me for the way that I felt.
[12:36] >> Yeah.
[12:37] >> But it is just because I couldn't find
[12:39] it in myself
[12:40] >> Yeah.
[12:40] >> to support myself at that time.
[12:42] >> Yeah.
[12:43] >> When you said
[12:44] you couldn't find it in yourself
[12:46] to take care of yourself.
[12:48] >> Yeah.
[12:50] >> Um I was looking for external
[12:53] um
[12:56] I
[12:57] And that really helped because
[13:05] I didn't need external. I was there and
[13:07] I had
[13:09] I had my own back, you know.
[13:12] I couldn't feel it.
[13:13] >> And beyond that, life's got your back.
[13:15] See, for a woman as a mother,
[13:17] often times if you were to in
[13:20] envisage love as a symbol, it's kind of
[13:23] like you embrace, right? You've done
[13:24] that how many times? To loved ones, to
[13:26] kids.
[13:28] But what I'm pointing to is there's a
[13:30] set of arms that go around you, too.
[13:33] >> Oh, right. Yes, okay. You're never
[13:34] alone. Okay, I see what you mean now.
[13:36] >> That's life.
[13:37] >> Yes.
[13:38] >> Life. For some people, it's God, it's
[13:40] Allah, it's Jesus, it's Buddha. It It
[13:42] doesn't matter what you call it. God
[13:43] like
[13:44] life, the universe has got your back.
[13:46] >> Mhm.
[13:47] >> And that little girl who felt so
[13:48] isolated, there's other components to it
[13:50] that I see that I'm not going to leave
[13:52] you hanging with, but that was the big
[13:53] one, right? Is that you're just
[13:54] completely alone. And when you're alone,
[13:56] you have to feel hurt and scared.
[13:58] And then you'll compensate however you
[13:59] have to.
[14:01] It's a horrible place to be. That was my
[14:03] experience when my dad died. I can
[14:05] remember standing inside of my bedroom,
[14:07] literally alone. Not the mental
[14:09] emotional experience that everybody
[14:10] listening has as a feeling of isolation
[14:12] cuz they're an an ego and the I. That is
[14:15] separation.
[14:17] So that, I think, to go back to your one
[14:18] of your questions earlier, why did I
[14:20] develop this? Cuz I felt
[14:22] how just horrific and tragic it is to
[14:25] think that you're alone.
[14:27] It's I think it's the worst feeling.
[14:29] >> Yeah.
[14:29] >> And so for many kids like you who are
[14:31] brought up in an environment where
[14:33] there's hostility, abuse, alcoholism,
[14:35] the absence of love,
[14:37] that kid is so scared and so isolated,
[14:40] they don't know where to go, often
[14:41] walking around on eggshells. But for
[14:43] you, what I see is some other bedfellows
[14:45] to that is it was all up to you.
[14:48] Right? Mom wasn't there. She was
[14:49] incapacitated. So why you become so
[14:52] successful, why you become such a
[14:53] leader, a role model for women,
[14:55] is because part of your genuine nature
[14:58] is to be somebody who's dynamic and
[15:01] powerful. But much of it was built on
[15:03] this dysfunction, maladaptive thinking
[15:06] that it's all up to you to make it, cuz
[15:08] who else got
[15:09] >> so grateful for that though, that's
[15:10] what's so funny about it.
[15:12] >> Exactly. It's a beauty like for me, too.
[15:14] Right? I became fiercely independent
[15:15] because I had to be.
[15:16] >> Yeah.
[15:17] >> That could have become an obstacle in
[15:19] certain relationships when I was younger
[15:20] cuz I didn't really need anyone. That's
[15:22] also a barrier to companionship and
[15:24] love. Made me very powerful and nothing
[15:27] really fazed me.
[15:28] But what I hear in you is there's a
[15:30] subtle if it's up to you, there's way
[15:32] too much pressure.
[15:33] It doesn't really allow for
[15:34] contribution, which is why I love
[15:35] moments when Michael puts his hand on
[15:37] your heart. He gives he he allows you to
[15:40] integrate those parts of you that
[15:43] perhaps are still dysfunctional.
[15:45] But the last thing because you gave me
[15:46] an intel as you spoke about the the
[15:48] tumor where you preempted it. If you
[15:51] listen to this recording, you kind of
[15:53] gave a quick snapshot of your resume.
[15:56] Right, with all the CDs and the DVDs and
[15:58] all the things you've done in this world
[16:00] of fitness. So just consider as an
[16:03] invitation, I'm not saying it's a truth.
[16:05] There's a part of you as a proud woman,
[16:06] as a smart woman, as a successful woman,
[16:08] there could be a little bit of shame
[16:10] there, too, or confusion. How can I, of
[16:13] all people, with the fitness and the
[16:15] thing that I've done to
[16:17] get a brain tumor?
[16:20] That's what I feel subtly. It's not as
[16:21] big as what you just went through.
[16:23] >> was interesting though cuz I
[16:25] interestingly cuz I did cross I did do
[16:27] that whole thing
[16:29] >> Yeah.
[16:29] >> when I got it.
[16:30] >> Yeah.
[16:30] >> I said, "I don't understand. What have I
[16:32] done?"
[16:32] >> Yeah.
[16:33] >> So I did that
[16:34] >> Yeah.
[16:34] >> already. But what was really fascinating
[16:37] about it
[16:38] is that I got it in utero.
[16:41] >> Okay.
[16:42] >> It was with me in my mother's womb.
[16:44] >> Yeah.
[16:45] >> And it's just grown very slowly over
[16:46] time.
[16:47] >> Okay.
[16:47] >> So I could park that.
[16:48] >> Yeah.
[16:49] >> But I did exactly that.
[16:50] >> Yeah.
[16:51] >> It was quite funny that you should say
[16:53] that.
[16:53] >> Cuz I feel it's a remnant. It's
[16:55] residual. It's not as strong as the
[16:56] feeling of being alone as an illusion,
[16:59] but really the guilt and shame of, you
[17:01] know, either self-judgment. How could I
[17:03] or what did I do wrong?
[17:05] You know, the the energy of fault which
[17:08] a kid could take on with a parent that's
[17:10] not absent or is absent. Not present.
[17:13] The kid often will think, "What It's my
[17:15] fault.
[17:16] What have I done?"
[17:18] Which again exacerbates the loneliness,
[17:19] but also the guilt and shame.
[17:21] >> Yeah, the other thing that's interesting
[17:23] about us
[17:24] pinpointing loneliness
[17:26] God, it's just so
[17:30] is that
[17:32] Michael and I often talk about slightly
[17:34] feeling like islands.
[17:35] >> Yeah.
[17:36] >> You know, we've got big families and
[17:38] everything, but we're a bit different.
[17:39] >> Yeah.
[17:41] >> And
[17:42] not in a not in a bad way. We're not
[17:43] isolated by anybody, but we just feel a
[17:45] bit different.
[17:46] >> I'm a freak of nature, so I you're
[17:47] taking into the choir.
[17:49] >> And um
[17:51] so an island that I think is another way
[17:53] of saying you're a bit lonely, you know.
[17:55] >> Yeah.
[17:55] >> But we've said that
[17:57] we've built a little archipelago.
[17:59] >> Yeah.
[18:00] >> So we're two islands, we've come
[18:01] together, we've built a bridge.
[18:02] >> I love that.
[18:03] >> And we can still be
[18:05] >> Yeah.
[18:05] >> on our own.
[18:06] >> Absolutely.
[18:07] >> But we're right next to each other.
[18:09] >> Yeah.
[18:10] >> And I I've found
[18:12] you know, you're talking about feeling
[18:13] safe.
[18:14] >> Yeah.
[18:14] >> I've found safety in that.
[18:16] >> Yeah.
[18:16] >> Feeling like that. Like
[18:18] I'm not I don't have to merge with
[18:20] someone, but I can just be right next
[18:22] door.
[18:23] >> And I'm going to expand that beautiful
[18:25] image for you. There's another bridge
[18:27] that goes off both of your islands,
[18:30] which is part of the whole,
[18:32] which is life itself.
[18:33] >> Yes.
[18:34] Yeah.
[18:35] >> And that's true belonging, that you're
[18:37] not separate to life. You can't not be
[18:40] in the gang of the universe.
[18:41] >> Yeah.
[18:42] >> And so no matter what it does is it
[18:44] doesn't put any pressure then on your
[18:45] relationship as though, "Oh, he's my
[18:47] only safe haven. He's my only one that
[18:49] understands me." Cuz that would then be
[18:51] a dysfunctional way to be
[18:53] coincide.
[18:54] >> not us against the world.
[18:55] >> Yeah.
[18:56] >> Mhm.
[18:56] >> Which also can create superiority
[18:58] complexes. And maybe energetically
[19:00] people might feel that they can't get
[19:02] close to you.
[19:02] >> Can't get close, yeah. Well, that's
[19:04] definitely not the case with us, for
[19:05] sure.
[19:05] >> No. No, and I can see that.
[19:07] >> would not want that to be.
[19:08] >> No, and that's why
[19:09] >> That's a really nice visual.
[19:12] >> Is that you can't not be part of the
[19:14] whole.
[19:15] >> Everything.
[19:15] >> Mhm.
[19:16] >> Everything. And what it does is is that
[19:18] image of the arms around you, you're
[19:20] both held.
[19:22] And whilst you create this beautiful
[19:23] little Loki ecosystem of your own love
[19:25] and your own joy and your own
[19:26] preferences for life and where you go
[19:28] and what you do. But that's part of the
[19:31] whole.
[19:32] Just like every cell in our body has its
[19:34] own little function and its own little
[19:36] arena of, you know, a thigh cell and an
[19:39] eye cell and a lung cell and kidney
[19:40] cell. But collectively it creates this
[19:43] beautiful organism called a human being.
[19:45] And that's the universe of which we're
[19:47] all a part.
[19:48] And you play your role. But as long as
[19:50] you think you're separate, that's
[19:51] dysfunction. That is actually cancer.
[19:54] A cancerous cell has lost its connection
[19:56] to intelligence.
[19:57] >> Yes.
[19:58] >> It's in a hostile environment. And so
[20:00] it's like, I got to take care of myself.
[20:02] >> Mhm.
[20:03] >> And so what we just did there is bring
[20:05] to the surface one of the hostile
[20:06] conversations you were living in, which
[20:08] is you're alone.
[20:09] That's a very hostile space to live in.
[20:12] It makes sense that under that pressure
[20:14] thinking it's up to you that you would
[20:15] create some sort of physiological
[20:17] anomaly.
[20:19] And now you can see it's all BS. It's a
[20:21] lie.
[20:22] And in the absence of that concern
[20:24] you get to be what we just witnessed,
[20:26] which is liberated, free, totally at
[20:29] peace, and completely a part of the
[20:31] whole.
[20:36] Louder for the people in the back.
[20:39] >> Thank you.
[20:41] >> Thank you, my dear. You're such a
[20:42] sweetheart. I had no idea that was going
[20:43] to happen, but that's what we spoke
[20:45] about earlier.
[20:45] >> Do you know what's quite funny?
[20:49] I've been thinking all day, like
[20:51] I wonder if Peter, cuz I often kind of
[20:53] see you talking to people about
[20:55] their childhood stuff, so I thought, oh,
[20:57] I'm
[20:58] I'm sorted
[20:59] >> Yeah.
[20:59] >> in that arena. My thing's more recent,
[21:02] like it's about my op.
[21:03] >> Yeah.
[21:04] >> I can't stop crying and I don't know
[21:05] why.
[21:06] >> Yeah.
[21:07] >> And it went right back to my childhood.
[21:10] >> You kept trimming the weeds on the
[21:11] surface and I was like, "No, no, that
[21:13] root goes down quite a way."
[21:15] Yeah. Nothing to do with the tumor. The
[21:18] tumor was symbolic
[21:20] >> Symbolic, yeah. Well, it's
[21:22] it was a gift.
[21:23] >> Yeah.
[21:24] It was.
[21:25] >> me here.
[21:26] >> Yeah.
[21:27] To reunite with the gang that you were
[21:29] never not a part of.
[21:32] >> Isn't that cool?
[21:32] >> That's mind-blowing.
[21:34] >> Yeah.
[21:36] >> Um Peter.
[21:37] >> Yes.
[21:39] >> Um is there anything I can do for you?
[21:44] >> Getting a bit peckish.
[21:47] >> I'll get you some food.
[21:48] >> I'm good.
[21:49] Thank you, love.
[21:50] >> Awful lot.