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[0:00] Donaron.
[0:01] >> Hey,
[0:02] >> we're here.
[0:03] >> We're here.
[0:04] >> You know, it's something magical that's
[0:06] been happening lately. People have been
[0:07] asking me, "What on earth is the house
[0:10] of the art of dreams?"
[0:11] >> Mhm.
[0:12] >> And uh you know, it's a artistic way of
[0:15] saying it in English, but translated in
[0:16] Spanish how I understand it because
[0:19] laasa, the house is my body, is my
[0:23] physical body. And the art of dreams is
[0:27] my dreaming mind. everything I've you
[0:30] know experienced and learned in life and
[0:32] this is why these events are called the
[0:34] house of the art of dreams because I'm
[0:36] about to share um all my books
[0:40] information from all my books u
[0:42] inspiration from music inspiration from
[0:44] life lessons everything that I have
[0:46] gathered all the information all the
[0:47] lives of Don Jose that right now I
[0:50] decided to jump into a different
[0:52] artistic way of presenting in a shamanic
[0:55] tradition because you know I got
[0:57] comfortable in doing what I used to do.
[1:00] But I needed to challenge myself because
[1:02] you know as an artist especially an
[1:05] artist of spirit of getting the wisdom
[1:07] cultivating you know going through
[1:08] experiences going through the hard times
[1:10] again because no matter no matter all
[1:12] your work that you've done no matter all
[1:14] the process that one has done life
[1:16] continues happening. So, it's about
[1:20] having the arts in your own um way of of
[1:25] taking action because, you know, I
[1:27] cannot take action your way or my dad's
[1:29] way or anybody else's way. The only way
[1:30] I know how to take action is the way
[1:32] that I take action to tackle whatever I
[1:36] need to tackle because no one else is
[1:37] going to know. I can gossip about myself
[1:40] to people and they only get like 40% 30%
[1:43] and the rest of it is, you know,
[1:45] something else. But uh when we talk to
[1:48] ourselves um everything we want to let
[1:51] go of everything we want to grow only we
[1:54] know we know what's stopping us and to
[1:57] realizing that if we are creating art
[1:59] that's going against us to have that
[2:01] awareness because many people don't have
[2:03] that awareness like I didn't have that
[2:04] awareness even in shamanism I was
[2:07] sharing shamanism and people learning it
[2:09] that they didn't want to grow they use
[2:11] it as a sanctuary for an identity to
[2:14] escapism
[2:16] And then I I saw the whole world and you
[2:18] know the whole world you know is is a
[2:20] chamat process or a swami process that's
[2:23] my training I don't know any other
[2:25] training but that's my training but um
[2:27] but when I begin seeing the the learning
[2:30] of life and letting go it could be
[2:31] psychology in a college and double in in
[2:35] NA or any other religion or mystery
[2:37] school or wisdom or or you know people
[2:40] who do any kind of ceremony to tackle
[2:42] this but there's nothing more powerful
[2:45] ful than honesty. All of these are
[2:47] ceremonies to to identify the problem.
[2:50] And yes, we make a beautiful powerful
[2:52] ceremony, but what's going to happen the
[2:53] next day? You have to continue working
[2:56] in your home.
[2:57] >> And that's why when we cultivate the art
[2:59] of dreams, the way that we present, we
[3:02] create magic because we're using the
[3:04] word not as a concrete medicine, but as
[3:09] an explanation of doing so. So I'm very
[3:12] excited to um well go on tour and share
[3:17] with this because I tell you how this
[3:18] began. I was going to go to this um to
[3:22] India and to Mexico and then something
[3:25] happened that I didn't go and you know I
[3:28] felt bummed that I couldn't go but then
[3:29] I in my in one of my meditations I said
[3:32] just say that's how I call myself now in
[3:34] my art of dreams is my expression
[3:37] because you know um but the memories of
[3:40] Don Jose the memories of Kaleshuar that
[3:42] I that's my spiritual name in India and
[3:44] my spiritual name in in in Toltech I
[3:48] saying you know you you You already got
[3:49] all this information. You already got
[3:51] all the seeds and you have not planted a
[3:53] forest of your own. And it comes a
[3:56] moment in our life in our training in
[3:57] shamanic or or a swami path. You know
[4:01] that we have to get the seeds of our
[4:03] elders that we learn to recognize that
[4:07] that was a structure of letting go like
[4:09] a rattlesnake, letting go of things that
[4:10] we didn't go. But once you confront the
[4:13] infinite, you're perfect in a way of
[4:16] living. And I don't mean perfect as a
[4:18] human or what perfection it is. No, you
[4:21] know that you're just nature, you're
[4:22] just a living being that you have the
[4:24] memories of the sinner of the of the
[4:26] saint or whatever you want to name it.
[4:28] When I mean saint and sinners, I mean
[4:30] people who go against themsel and
[4:31] against life and the people who support
[4:33] life and support themselves. So words
[4:36] are very tricky. That's why it's a it's
[4:39] an art and many people don't understand
[4:42] their own words. They invoke forces like
[4:44] Takifan says that they will not ever
[4:46] understand because they look for
[4:48] sanctuary.
[4:49] >> But in this being said, you know, I have
[4:52] now the seeds of everything that I've
[4:54] learned. And if I'm going to do a
[4:56] ceremony in Tatiwakan or a ceremony in
[4:59] India or a download,
[5:01] the in meditation, the art of the house
[5:05] of dreams of Jose says take those seeds
[5:08] wherever you go and plant them. the soul
[5:10] ground is ready and it's not only me
[5:13] doing the work. is whoever's going to
[5:15] come and be part of this show. And you
[5:17] know, I'm very happy that you and uh and
[5:20] Dona Carla and uh and Don Luis uh are
[5:23] joining me in this beautiful ceremony
[5:26] because this is a beautiful dream that
[5:27] we have cultivated as tots and totions
[5:31] is u let's say it's an art form. It's a
[5:37] masterpiece of a form of art and uh it's
[5:40] not songs, it's not ballads, it's not
[5:42] you know even though it's music and
[5:44] speaking word it's just art. It's just
[5:47] like a painting and this is meant to
[5:49] transform lives. So in the house of
[5:52] dreams is where we all going to express
[5:54] ourself and you know be all the
[5:57] different versions that we were. So I'm
[6:00] very happy that in this journey I'm
[6:02] going to share my lessons that I learned
[6:04] from India and lessons that I learned
[6:06] from the shamans, from Peru, from
[6:09] Americas, from Tatiwakan, from the
[6:11] Mayans, uh from from the from Africas
[6:14] and also the beautiful connection of
[6:16] seeds that you know that we go traveling
[6:18] around the world like Egypt you know is
[6:20] Egypt I'm very touched with is not my is
[6:23] not my tribe what I mean by my tribe is
[6:25] not my path you know I have two paths in
[6:27] my life it's token and Hinduism and
[6:31] those are the messages that changed my
[6:33] life but then I entered another world
[6:36] and that's the world of Jose
[6:39] the one who was possessed by its poison
[6:42] and in all those journeys I clean my
[6:45] poison and new poison came in and all
[6:48] those years I cultivated ways of art to
[6:51] deal with each poison that came in my
[6:53] life now I can'tify poison without the
[6:56] story because it's a vibration
[6:59] And this is why music is very important
[7:01] because no you know music is a vibration
[7:03] just in the universe in the space in the
[7:05] infinite there is no sound it's
[7:08] vibration. That's why the power of of
[7:13] song and sounds as human is so powerful.
[7:16] And when we begin having this sound and
[7:18] putting it into words, we begin to, you
[7:21] know, create art because one day we're
[7:23] not going to be here. But what's going
[7:25] to be here are stories like the stories
[7:27] of our elders, how they overcome their
[7:29] dream. But the thing about these times
[7:32] and the past ones is that people become
[7:34] obsessed and fanatic is escapism. That's
[7:36] why many people give a bad name to
[7:39] swamies and to shamans because you know
[7:41] there's a lot of people who look for
[7:42] sanctuary thinking with that title
[7:45] they're going to escape their thing. The
[7:46] thing is that the illusion doesn't care
[7:48] what you are. It's going to get you one
[7:51] way or the other. So that's why I said
[7:53] we're all working for the for the same
[7:54] boss. But in these new path that we're
[7:58] doing for the house of the art of dreams
[8:00] is about letting everybody know that
[8:03] they are a house and their mind is a
[8:06] gallery of art where they create their
[8:09] dreams where dreams are born like an
[8:11] antenna. And the beautiful thing about
[8:13] that I love about tote visions is don't
[8:15] mess up the dream. Don't mess up the
[8:18] dream. You have inspiration you have
[8:20] something you want to do it. Don't let
[8:22] it eat you alive. And that's why the
[8:26] presence of spirit in action is more
[8:30] powerful than reading a book, is more
[8:33] powerful than listening to a lecture
[8:35] because it's inspiration, the energy
[8:39] connecting with you. And in that moment,
[8:42] like a music concert or or a movie you
[8:44] watch or something you see from family
[8:46] and friends or a loved one or someone
[8:48] you admire, when you see someone's
[8:49] transformation or or story of life, it
[8:52] inspires you to do what? To make art
[8:56] with your life to get yourself out of a
[8:58] living space or create something new.
[9:02] Because once you are in a path of
[9:05] self-service and honest self-service, it
[9:08] comes the question, what am I going to
[9:09] do now? What am I going to create now?
[9:12] And this is the beautiful thing about
[9:16] being present like if we're going to
[9:17] live forever like my father says. And
[9:20] one of the assignments that he gave to
[9:21] us, you know, I I gave it to you as
[9:24] well, is to live every day like it's our
[9:26] last day. So when we begin living this
[9:29] way, something magical begins happening.
[9:32] We want to tolerate things that go
[9:34] against us. We want to tolerate poison
[9:36] from many people. We're not going to
[9:37] judge them. just not that dream is not
[9:39] for us. They're in a different vibration
[9:42] and they're not even really knowing when
[9:43] they're attaching to their suffering or
[9:46] they're abusing, you know, a sacred
[9:48] tradition
[9:50] because they're in pain. Like I was in
[9:52] pain. But once I begin having my own
[9:55] medicine with my own words in the art of
[9:56] the house of dreams of Jose, I begin to
[9:59] understand the world respecting it.
[10:02] That's their dream. I have only one
[10:05] responsibility and it's my life. So if
[10:08] I'm going to have one life to one day to
[10:10] live, I'm going to do everything that I
[10:12] want to experience. So with this being
[10:15] said, this is when I, you know, I'm
[10:17] never going to stop being a shaman or
[10:19] the Swami order. But I am now in a point
[10:25] that I don't need those identities to
[10:27] know what I am. I'm life. I'm energy.
[10:31] I'm just a light like a star that come
[10:35] into this world just in a blink of time
[10:38] to experience it. And of course when I
[10:41] arrived I lost myself like any other
[10:43] ancestor before me. And the trick it is
[10:46] to find ourselves not who we are, what
[10:49] we be, but simply knowing that we're
[10:53] just life with a mirror of everything we
[10:56] have, you know, seen that domesticated
[10:58] us. So we begin being free. We respect
[11:01] any relationship that we're going to be
[11:04] in now and tomorrow because of the past
[11:07] relationship that we had before. So this
[11:09] is a beautiful thing that I am very
[11:11] happy to to be part of.
[11:15] >> You know when you first told me about
[11:16] the title the house or the art of dreams
[11:18] at first I was like what what does that
[11:19] mean exactly? It's just like a mouthful.
[11:21] It's like you're trying to say so much,
[11:24] you know, and I'm sure you got the same
[11:26] advice from other people, but it's it's
[11:28] what you wanted to do. And
[11:32] when I think about what that title
[11:34] means, it's exactly what you were
[11:35] talking about. There's a house and
[11:38] inside that house there's creations of
[11:41] dreams.
[11:43] So let's say uh you go in one city and
[11:48] that city is going to experience all the
[11:49] dreams that come out that particular
[11:51] day. But you're the house, we're the
[11:54] house, whoever goes with you, it's just
[11:57] it's like a sanctuary of dreams.
[12:00] And um it's beautiful.
[12:04] And uh
[12:06] so I'm grateful that I get a chance to
[12:09] um
[12:11] to share with you. Mhm.
[12:13] >> You know, sometimes I wonder what are we
[12:15] doing here? You know, it's your show.
[12:18] You know, you don't need anyone to help
[12:19] you. So, you know, you can go on stage
[12:21] and just be yourself and do your thing.
[12:23] But it's grateful to
[12:24] >> to be part of this beautiful creation.
[12:27] >> And here's the thing. Sorry to interrupt
[12:28] you in this moment, but it's not my
[12:30] show. You know the for a shaman or a
[12:34] swami to hit a certain point is to not
[12:38] be alone to find a tribe who lived the
[12:41] their own way. There's no one higher or
[12:43] lower and in this tradition they always
[12:46] say there's a teacher and apprentice but
[12:49] you know the elders are always going to
[12:50] be elders because of the experience they
[12:51] had. But honestly, we all are working
[12:55] through the same boss and we all deal
[12:57] with certain things. And when you get
[12:59] like um different points of an organism
[13:03] like the heart, the liver, you name it,
[13:06] the body when you get it together, it
[13:07] creates one one body. So it's one
[13:10] energetically form and uh and this is
[13:13] created by all of us because everything
[13:15] is coming in the same form. And when we
[13:18] were in Penny River 2001 or two, can't
[13:22] remember memory. Wi-Fi is getting slow
[13:23] in my head because of age, but I
[13:25] remember just looking into your eyes and
[13:29] saying, "I know you for a long time."
[13:32] And I just met you, you know, like two
[13:34] years before, but you know, we all have
[13:36] different lives where we we come in,
[13:38] have dinner, and we all go with all the
[13:40] rest of the my dad's apprentices and
[13:41] dreamers. But in that moment, we were in
[13:43] Penny River in Tennessee and um and I
[13:47] remember we being there and the the
[13:49] river was passing by. I said, "No, we're
[13:51] going to do something together." And and
[13:54] I knew it not because of story. It's
[13:56] because I felt it. So in little ways
[13:59] this dream of collectiveness of you, me,
[14:02] Carla, Luis, and whoever's going to join
[14:04] us. It's a collective of the paths that
[14:07] already are in movement. We're just
[14:10] showing up and experiencing it.
[14:13] >> So, I'm very happy because you have
[14:15] wisdom that I don't have. Carla has
[14:17] wisdom that I don't have. And Lisa has
[14:18] wisdom that I don't have. And I have
[14:20] wisdom that you guys don't have. But
[14:22] together, we create this wisdom. And
[14:24] it's about friendship.
[14:26] >> And this is one of the things that in
[14:28] spirituality, especially spiritual
[14:30] leaders forget. We're here for
[14:32] friendship.
[14:33] >> We're not here to tell people what to
[14:34] do, how to live life,
[14:36] >> right? We're here to remind them life is
[14:38] short and this is what we're doing.
[14:40] >> Yeah.
[14:41] >> And every time we hang out, it's just
[14:42] magic, you know, especially to take
[14:44] visions. We get together and just like
[14:47] manifest music and song. It's because
[14:49] it's not that we sat down and grout it
[14:51] and, you know, prepared it and, you
[14:53] know, all you know, structured. No, we
[14:55] came with open hearts to create one
[14:56] another.
[14:57] >> And this is exactly what we're going to
[14:58] do on stage.
[14:59] >> Yeah.
[15:00] >> Yeah. It's a beautiful thing.
[15:04] You know, I remember that Penny River so
[15:06] well and it was like walking up to you,
[15:08] I just out of anyone, I just wanted to
[15:11] share what I was experiencing with you.
[15:13] And I felt like you knew exactly what I
[15:15] was experiencing and we both like were
[15:17] smiling because we both were like, "Yes,
[15:20] like uh this is what life's all about.
[15:23] It's about enjoying that friendship
[15:25] because I I felt like I felt like a
[15:28] flower that was being fed by the sun and
[15:31] I felt like the sun that was feeding a
[15:33] flower.
[15:34] >> And to me, that's friendship. It's it's
[15:37] uh giving someone the permission just to
[15:40] be themsel and be in awe of whatever
[15:42] they create and simultaneously
[15:45] being free to create and express
[15:48] whatever I am experiencing in that
[15:50] moment knowing that you're there to be a
[15:53] witness to that creation as well.
[15:55] >> Yes.
[15:56] >> And it's a beautiful friendship
[15:59] and uh to take that on the road and just
[16:01] see what happens. It's it is it's magic
[16:03] on the road
[16:03] >> and it's totally magic and you know like
[16:05] um I I am very touched and happy because
[16:07] I've been transforming my own life you
[16:09] know in my in my spiritual path I'm now
[16:12] in the Shiva shakti that's in Hinduism
[16:16] and in shamanic is to spirit and I'm in
[16:20] that vibration right now and I think I'm
[16:22] going to die in this vibration because
[16:24] I'm at home
[16:25] >> I'm just life but I I am so happy and
[16:30] very you know in a safe space with you
[16:34] uh Carla and Luis and I met as well um
[16:37] all of you supported you know without
[16:39] even speaking about it I begin using
[16:42] makeup I begin you know feminizing
[16:43] myself and um and embracing the the male
[16:46] and the female into one and you all of
[16:49] you were so supportive of it that you
[16:52] know nothing needed to be spoken of it
[16:54] was just happening so beautifully and
[16:56] that's what friendship and tribute is we
[16:59] don't see race, skin, or what we look
[17:02] like or gender. We're just here the
[17:05] harmony of humanity of, you know, being
[17:08] kind, respecting one another, loving one
[17:10] another. And in this form of being when
[17:13] the machismo ends and you embrace divine
[17:15] mother and and the and the machista
[17:19] comes back to melt down everything that
[17:21] is learned and that male energy comes
[17:23] back to serve divine mother because
[17:25] divine mother every female is the portal
[17:28] of the infinite into life. And in
[17:30] totakan my ancestors they're all support
[17:33] divine mother you know it's like the
[17:36] bees and the ants they support the
[17:39] queen. So when Totiwakan was in the
[17:41] powerful um generations you know when
[17:44] there was an at the top power it was
[17:46] ruled by women and also in Hinduism the
[17:49] everything is about divine mother and
[17:52] everything is just you know to being
[17:55] grateful and the curse that happened in
[17:58] humanity was machismo
[18:01] and that was the biggest mask and
[18:03] because of this people got wounds people
[18:07] take it personal they have hatred it
[18:10] even you can see it right now the world
[18:11] as it is it's angry it's wants to hurt
[18:14] one another could you imagine the this
[18:18] hand hurting this face this is what's
[18:20] happening with humanity so when the
[18:23] higher vibration of a male energy and a
[18:26] female energy become the perfect
[18:28] equilibrium with all realities is
[18:30] because there's peace being made
[18:32] >> so if one everybody embraces this in
[18:36] life I'm not saying that they have to be
[18:39] a certain way or pick a certain gender.
[18:41] No, I don't I'm not saying anything like
[18:42] that. I mean about respecting to find
[18:45] the perfect equilibrium to make peace in
[18:47] this world knowing that everything is
[18:48] okay. And the only thing that will have
[18:51] a butt is the wounds because I had a lot
[18:54] of wounds that didn't permit me just to
[18:56] open my heart and express because there
[18:58] was a big judge because when I just open
[19:01] up to this new path of spirituality you
[19:04] know the only judge was myself like I
[19:07] say the tribe supported me my family
[19:10] supported me you know people who come
[19:12] they supported me and people who are
[19:15] mean to me or put me down has nothing to
[19:17] do with me it's with them because of the
[19:19] hate. that exists in this world. So with
[19:22] having the courage of just being
[19:24] yourself
[19:26] is like Mama Kali
[19:31] is like a donut scene coming stepping on
[19:35] the demon enjoying the wrath of a
[19:38] hurricane
[19:40] >> that no one's going to hurt my human, no
[19:43] one's going to hurt my children. No
[19:45] one's going to hurt my family. No one's
[19:47] going to hurt my friends. No one's gonna
[19:49] hurt my animals. No one's gonna hurt my
[19:51] forest. In that moment, we begin having
[19:53] respect because what happening in this
[19:56] world right now is the greed
[19:59] and also trying to be happy for what
[20:01] we're not is part of a greed because
[20:03] bwam begins collecting things thinking
[20:05] that we'll be happy and that is the
[20:07] sanctuary that happens in shamanism. If
[20:10] I only have the title, if I only have a
[20:12] spiritual name, if I only get initiated,
[20:14] if I only have a partner who is like a
[20:16] higher vibration, I will be okay. Is
[20:19] looking for validation for the outside.
[20:22] But when you find validation from the
[20:23] inside, you find your true friends
[20:26] because they support you
[20:27] >> because you support yourself. And if
[20:30] it's one day to live, you have no time
[20:32] to waste.
[20:34] So if we don't judge yourself, nobody
[20:36] else can judge us. And the house of the
[20:38] art of dreams is based on respect.
[20:42] >> Yeah. You know, it's a message that,
[20:46] you know, you you feel right away those
[20:48] people that are interested in that kind
[20:50] of message and you feel right away those
[20:52] that are not because you can see the
[20:54] world right now and the way that the
[20:56] world works is that a lot of people are
[20:58] not looking for that message. A lot of
[21:00] people are looking for the opposite.
[21:01] They're looking for uh how to make more
[21:04] money, how to make more success, how to
[21:06] accumulate more things.
[21:08] But I can only speak for myself. Ever
[21:10] since I was born, I was attracted to uh
[21:14] the sensation of what it feels like just
[21:16] to be free in myself, whatever that
[21:19] means. And most of the time, it's
[21:21] exactly what you were describing, what
[21:23] it feels like just to love. what it
[21:25] feels like to love your own body, to
[21:28] love your own mind, to love everything
[21:30] that you say, everything that you do, to
[21:33] make everything that you do just a work
[21:35] of art.
[21:36] >> Yes.
[21:36] >> And to not judge your work of art, to
[21:39] not be looking for other people to tell
[21:41] you, am I doing it right? Am I doing it
[21:43] wrong? How can I do it better? Because
[21:45] the moment you start asking everyone
[21:46] else for advice, you're not making
[21:48] decisions for yourself. You're allowing
[21:50] other people to tell you what good art
[21:52] is, what a good life is, what it means
[21:55] to be successful.
[21:57] Nobody knows. Everyone's, you know,
[21:59] trying to figure it out their own way
[22:01] based on what they were taught and told
[22:03] by someone else who's no idea how to
[22:06] figure it out. And so there's no road
[22:09] map. We have to create our own trust in
[22:14] figuring out what works for us and be
[22:16] sincere about it. And that's what I love
[22:19] about, you know, when you became vegan,
[22:21] you weren't trying to convert anyone
[22:23] else to be vegan. We go to restaurants
[22:25] and you order vegan food and everyone or
[22:27] orders meat and there's so much respect
[22:29] for the way other people live their
[22:31] lives and it's just mutual respect. It's
[22:34] just friendship and sometimes we all
[22:36] order vegan food and we like it and it's
[22:38] fun. But to see how you
[22:43] treat yourself and how you express
[22:45] yourself and how you're loyal to
[22:50] the sincerity just to be yourself and to
[22:53] witness that and respect that. It's uh
[22:56] inspiring
[22:58] >> and everyone has their own way of okay,
[23:00] how do you want to express yourself? How
[23:01] do you want to dress? How do you want to
[23:03] talk? You know, it's everyone's an
[23:06] artist and you choose how you want to
[23:08] express yourself.
[23:10] And uh you know I can I can say I can
[23:13] speak for many people in this world.
[23:15] It's scary sometimes to take the risk
[23:18] just to express yourself just the way
[23:20] you are because we open oursel up to
[23:23] judgment. But at the same time when we
[23:26] overcome our own inner judge
[23:29] then we no longer judge oursel then
[23:31] other people's judgments it doesn't
[23:32] matter. You used to talk about this all
[23:33] the time.
[23:35] It's like uh it's like actors go out on
[23:39] on roles and they get uh turned down so
[23:41] many times that they just get used to
[23:43] the um rejection process that it's just
[23:45] part of life. It's not personal.
[23:48] >> Yes,
[23:48] >> there's someone else that they're
[23:49] looking at. It's not about you. And you
[23:52] get used to okay, the world is taught to
[23:55] judge. It's not personal. It's just the
[23:58] way the dream works.
[24:00] >> This is about uh wanting to control.
[24:02] >> Mhm. And there's nothing to control in
[24:04] this life. It's about surrender. And
[24:07] when we surrender, we're not pushing our
[24:10] dreams into somebody else to prove
[24:12] ourselves that we're right.
[24:13] >> You know, there's something beautiful
[24:14] that um brother Amed, a fellow Totian
[24:19] for everybody who knows Amet is a fellow
[24:21] is a band of the band. And uh he was
[24:23] sharing a beautiful story with me. It
[24:25] was his son. He wanted a beautiful bird,
[24:28] you know, he wanted a bird. And and he
[24:31] said, "Well, you have all the birds in
[24:33] the world. They're all are yours, you
[24:35] know. All the worlds that are free are
[24:37] yours. You know, no, but I want a bird.
[24:38] I want a you know, bird having the
[24:40] house." And why do you want to put a
[24:42] little bird in a cage? Why do you want
[24:45] to put where you know it's supposed to
[24:47] be free? Once you cut flowers from a
[24:49] garden, they're dead. They're not going
[24:51] to blossom the same way. You have to let
[24:52] them be free as well. and he was giving
[24:55] me this beautiful um advice and lesson
[24:58] about life saying, you know, humanity
[25:02] wants to put a bird in the cage because
[25:05] they're putting themselves in a cage
[25:08] because we're domesticated to live that
[25:10] way. And to control somebody, we want
[25:13] them to be in our cage. And sooner or
[25:16] later, that is a hell. That is a prison.
[25:20] We're meant to be free, love freely. And
[25:23] you know some dreams are not for us. We
[25:25] don't have to beg or say it out loud. We
[25:27] just understanding, respect and we move
[25:29] on. But nothing belongs to us. Just like
[25:33] the other day I was in the airport, the
[25:35] plane was delayed. People were getting
[25:37] upset that the little girls you know who
[25:39] were working the young the young women I
[25:41] mean that were working in the in the
[25:43] counter and you know they have no
[25:45] control of the plane. They have no
[25:47] control of the pilot. They have no
[25:48] control of the airport. They're just
[25:50] following orders and people are throwing
[25:52] their poison because they want to
[25:54] control their flights. But in the
[25:57] airport, you don't control anything.
[25:59] Even when you go with your IDs and stuff
[26:01] like that, you are, you know, you're
[26:05] just there to take a flight, but you
[26:07] cannot control if the weather's bad. And
[26:10] this is the same thing about life. Why
[26:12] should we get upset when things are not
[26:13] going our way? Sometimes when things are
[26:16] not going our way, it's a direction that
[26:18] we hit a wall to turn left or right or
[26:21] backwards, but we continue on moving for
[26:24] a dream that is for us. That's why
[26:26] following inspiration is the most
[26:28] beautiful thing. But if we put ourselves
[26:30] in a cage like Amed was telling his
[26:32] baby, we will never follow inspiration
[26:35] because let's say we sacrifice our
[26:38] inspiration and then we begin eating
[26:40] ourselves our life. Then the art
[26:44] gets so buried and it hurts
[26:46] >> that we begin being angry
[26:49] and telling people how to live,
[26:52] you know. And I see many people who are,
[26:55] you know,
[26:58] not happy in their life, using veganism,
[27:01] using spirituality, using all the other
[27:04] things as an excuse to be mad and put
[27:08] poison to somebody else.
[27:09] >> Yeah. But uh when you respect like I
[27:12] say, you know, I I make food for my dad.
[27:15] I've made food for my mom. I made food,
[27:17] you know, if they have a I know how to
[27:18] cook all that food that my grandmother
[27:20] taught me to cook because I know how to
[27:21] cook seafood. I know to cook all of
[27:23] that. I don't like it anymore because
[27:25] I've evolved in my own personal dream.
[27:28] But there's people who love still that.
[27:30] And people that I love, I love making
[27:32] something for them. As the same way as
[27:35] gratitude and generosity,
[27:38] you um and the rest of the family and
[27:40] friends, you join me for a vegan
[27:42] restaurant. And some people in my life
[27:46] have turned completely vegetarian
[27:49] because of the respect because it came
[27:51] from their own choices because it's
[27:54] inspiring.
[27:55] >> Like I got inspired to live a certain
[27:57] way by one of my favorite singers,
[27:59] Stephen Morrisy. And you know it
[28:01] inspires me so much. He showed a video
[28:04] that I people looked away but I didn't
[28:06] want to look away because I see the way
[28:09] they treat animals the same way that
[28:11] life treats human the human treats
[28:13] human. The moment that we begin changing
[28:16] that way of life everything begins being
[28:19] even in an energetic form. It it it
[28:22] cleanses you
[28:24] uh not in the physical body but
[28:26] consciously because there is no guilt
[28:29] anymore. your clean consciousness.
[28:32] >> So the Egyptians always say in order to
[28:34] enter heaven your heart must be light as
[28:36] a feather. If your heart is not light as
[28:38] a feather you may never enter heaven.
[28:40] And it's not about a feather you know
[28:42] it's about how clean is your
[28:44] consciousness. How is your guilt? How is
[28:46] your shame? How are the acts that you
[28:48] do? So you know people who are close to
[28:51] me they know I don't lie. If they're
[28:53] going to ask me something,
[28:55] they better be aware that I'm going to
[28:57] tell them the truth
[28:59] >> about myself or what I my point of view.
[29:02] But I reserve my point of view because
[29:04] it's not being asked. So I keep it to
[29:07] myself.
[29:08] >> But if someone ask me, I'm not going to
[29:11] lie. I have my principles.
[29:15] And it's because I respect the house of
[29:18] the art of dreams of Jose. And for me,
[29:21] Don Jose died. Why? Because Don Jose for
[29:26] me is a character that I was that helped
[29:28] me leave the addiction of suffering
[29:31] behind.
[29:33] There was that part of me, Elo, Jose,
[29:36] who was mist of suffering.
[29:40] But Don Jose, it was the step to let
[29:44] that go. that I couldn't beat Don Jose
[29:47] for the rest of the life because after
[29:48] all the training
[29:50] I'm not gonna stay in sanctafety
[29:53] I'm gonna do what I work all my life for
[29:56] to live in person of freedom and to
[29:58] express myself how I want to express
[30:01] myself and be organically and
[30:03] authentically and that's why I cannot
[30:05] lie to myself and if I lie to somebody
[30:09] else I'm lying to myself
[30:11] you know there's something powerful that
[30:13] my father always said to us and said it
[30:16] to they said it to you too because I
[30:17] know it. It says I'm responsible for
[30:19] what I say.
[30:20] >> I'm not responsible for what you listen.
[30:24] And that's powerful. And it gives you
[30:26] freedom to not control.
[30:29] >> Well, it gives you responsibility for
[30:31] what you say.
[30:32] >> Mhm.
[30:32] >> Because if you if you agree that okay,
[30:36] I'm not responsible for what you hear.
[30:39] you agree to take the responsibility to
[30:41] always be clear on your side that you're
[30:43] not saying something intentionally
[30:45] distorting or you're very clear with
[30:48] your message. You're very clear with how
[30:50] you express yourself and then that gives
[30:52] you the clear conscience that they they
[30:55] can do whatever they want with that
[30:56] information.
[30:57] >> Yes.
[30:57] >> But I know that the information I'm
[30:59] giving is true, sincere, and it's true
[31:03] for me and as clear as can be. And it's
[31:06] it it comes back to the agreements and
[31:08] being impeccable with your word.
[31:09] >> Yes.
[31:10] >> It's a way of life and it's not about
[31:13] being uh openly honest like you were
[31:15] saying. You hold your truth until
[31:17] someone asks. It's not our place to just
[31:19] tell everyone what you see because what
[31:22] people see is it's just a point of view.
[31:24] It may be true for you. It doesn't mean
[31:26] it's true for someone else. And when we
[31:28] uh sort of unsolicited give people
[31:32] advice about their life, it's not always
[31:34] helpful. and we might see something that
[31:37] might not be true for them. Am I making
[31:40] sense?
[31:40] >> Totally.
[31:41] >> And um so I love I it's like
[31:46] taking the responsibility first with
[31:49] oursel just to be honest. Many times we
[31:52] don't want to be honest with oursel.
[31:54] There's stuff we don't want to look at.
[31:55] But we have to look at everything
[31:57] otherwise like you said we never have
[32:00] the experience of a clean conscious.
[32:02] >> Yes. And sometimes you know we want to
[32:04] experience something that we already
[32:05] tried but we try with awareness. Let's
[32:07] say if this is different
[32:09] >> but now we don't go as victim right
[32:10] >> or as a beggar or or a controller or you
[32:13] know we just go with open heart and we
[32:16] go and taste that dream and then we find
[32:18] out oh you know this dream is really not
[32:21] for me. I gave it another shot but it's
[32:23] not for me.
[32:23] >> Totally.
[32:24] >> Because you know people grow and people
[32:27] do not know how to grow. People do not
[32:30] know how to let love grow because of
[32:32] possession, because of fear of being
[32:34] alone. But honestly, we're always alone.
[32:36] >> Yeah.
[32:37] >> We're born alone. We live alone. And we
[32:38] die alone like my father teaches. And um
[32:41] we begin realizing that every day we're
[32:44] someone new. Every day we shed the skin
[32:47] like a snake and let that dream go. And
[32:50] I remember when I shed my skin, I let
[32:53] the dream go, but I didn't want to let
[32:54] go
[32:55] >> because I was identified by my
[32:58] victimization.
[33:01] >> And that character doesn't exist
[33:02] anymore.
[33:03] >> How did how did you do it? How did you
[33:05] let go? Like what's what's that process
[33:08] for you? How did you do it?
[33:09] >> I found out that I was the love of my
[33:11] life. That this physical body that
[33:14] divine that is divine mother's physical
[33:16] body is part of the earth. It's not
[33:18] mine. I'm just energy light inside this
[33:20] body. When I go, it's going to drop back
[33:23] to the earth.
[33:24] >> So I find out how I treat this physical
[33:27] body is how I'm treating divine mother.
[33:29] Many people say that they love divine
[33:31] mother. They put candles, they put this,
[33:32] but they treat themselves like hell.
[33:35] They put gives keep themselves in a
[33:37] relationship
[33:38] and sometimes sad. They avoid a
[33:41] beautiful relationship to support the
[33:44] dream of hell, supporting the
[33:46] victimization and not letting grow.
[33:50] You know, when I make the act of not
[33:52] drinking and doing crystal meth anymore
[33:54] in my life, I didn't want to put that
[33:56] poison back inside my Jose
[33:59] because I evolved that that physical
[34:02] body.
[34:03] It is mother earth.
[34:06] So the moment I begin changing that
[34:09] aspect, my willpower became so strong.
[34:12] It was real against temptation all the
[34:14] time. And that's why I said that in
[34:15] totle
[34:18] learn how we treat our physical body,
[34:22] the love of our life. And then when we
[34:24] begin living this way, we find some who
[34:27] is the love of their life. And we share
[34:28] life with them. We don't control them.
[34:31] We're like the birds flying in our own
[34:33] dream. like the flowers just expressing
[34:36] our own beautyful aroma.
[34:39] We're just beauty.
[34:41] And how many times people say, "I'm not
[34:43] beautiful. I'm not beauty. I cannot do
[34:46] it. I cannot do this to myself." It
[34:49] takes time. And believe me, to be a
[34:52] complete cannibore,
[34:54] being so unhealthy,
[34:57] to let go
[35:00] and begin being vegan,
[35:04] on learning how to be carnivore, it was
[35:06] willpower to the max. But I knew that
[35:09] I've done it before. Living crystal me,
[35:13] leaving alcohol,
[35:15] leaving machismo.
[35:17] I've done it before. So when you
[35:21] overcome an obstacle for the love of
[35:22] your life, it doesn't matter the
[35:24] illusion, the story, it's the same act
[35:27] of power. And this same act of power is
[35:29] what we do in ceremony. Like in the
[35:32] past, I I needed to go to a mountain,
[35:34] open my arms to do this. Now I can make
[35:36] that ceremony without leaving my home.
[35:39] >> I can teleport myself into other places.
[35:44] And I don't mean this physical body, but
[35:45] my energetically because I'm connected
[35:47] to everything. Like I can close my eyes.
[35:50] I can be walking in Teao. I can close my
[35:53] eyes. I can be in the town of Cheery.
[35:56] I can close my eyes. I can be in this
[35:58] amazing beautiful concert, you know,
[36:00] hearing, you know, the songs that I
[36:02] love.
[36:03] It's about transporting myself
[36:06] with the essence. And when I do that,
[36:11] sooner or later, the people that I was
[36:13] thinking about call me out of the blue
[36:16] or they feel me. It's not that I'm
[36:18] putting my intent and walking there
[36:19] there. No, I'm connecting. I'm
[36:22] connecting to life and I am life. That's
[36:26] why sometimes ask me what are you? What
[36:29] are you? What what how you identify
[36:30] yourself? I go I'm just life.
[36:33] >> I'm just a living being.
[36:36] I don't believe in a character anymore.
[36:39] But I use it. So right now I'm having
[36:41] fun with just say why I tell you why.
[36:44] It's because that's what my stepmother
[36:46] Mama Gaia gave me.
[36:49] And me saying that name, I can hear her
[36:52] blessing me every day in my life.
[36:55] Everybody that someone calls me Jose, I
[36:58] hear her calling my name
[37:00] >> because she represents in my life divine
[37:02] mother.
[37:04] She was there when I was needing someone
[37:06] the most with that feminine, you know,
[37:09] doorway going back home.
[37:12] >> Yeah. Even though she was not my
[37:13] physical mother, she was my mother. As
[37:16] Dona Barbara is my mother and my birth
[37:18] mother, Mama Makoko is my mother. I was
[37:21] blessed to have three mothers in my life
[37:23] for different parts of life of my
[37:25] father.
[37:26] >> But they all love me and they all teach
[37:29] me things that they knew themselves.
[37:33] But every time I hear Jose, I'm
[37:36] remembering when I woke up in India. I
[37:39] was with my friend Drea in in the river
[37:42] of Ganji's river when I I I was looking
[37:46] in the eyes and all of a sudden Chivas
[37:50] Shakti that energy came through me so
[37:52] strong.
[37:54] In that moment, I knew that I had to let
[37:56] go of something that's been stopping me
[37:59] all my life from blossoming.
[38:02] and is the dream of machismo.
[38:07] The one that pretends the mask, the one
[38:09] that hides the beauty, the one that
[38:11] suppresses, the one that suppresses
[38:13] itself like a butcher butchering itself,
[38:18] you know, because the male energy is so
[38:20] powerful as well.
[38:23] It's a guardian.
[38:25] It's at service. He does everything for
[38:28] divine mother like I do for my mothers,
[38:31] my sisters,
[38:33] for myself
[38:35] serving the planet. One day I'm not
[38:38] going to be here and who cares the
[38:41] memories of Jose.
[38:43] I give Jose everything that makes him
[38:45] happy so I can do my work
[38:49] because Jose is just a character that
[38:50] I'm not anymore. That many people know
[38:53] me from Jose. They have the secondary
[38:56] characters invested in their dream and I
[38:59] communicate with them and we grow. Like
[39:02] sometimes we have friends from junior
[39:04] high, high school, the 20th and we have
[39:09] family members. Well, but we all grow
[39:11] and sometimes when we get together, we
[39:13] just talk about nostalgic moments, the
[39:15] past, which is beautiful, but we all
[39:17] have different futures now.
[39:20] Some of my beautiful family and friends
[39:22] have children and they are now like my
[39:25] nephew just turned 20 years old and it's
[39:28] beautiful but you know my brother has
[39:31] his own life and every time we get
[39:34] together when we tour it's like we're
[39:36] back in high school in that secondary
[39:38] character but we all have our own
[39:41] journey now. Doesn't mean we don't love
[39:44] each other. We love each other even
[39:45] more. But when we begin seeing how we
[39:50] have grown our own forest and I go, I
[39:52] identify that forest. I identify the
[39:54] forest. Like I I have my friends in
[39:56] Tijuana that I see them play the
[39:58] Astronav band and I see them play
[40:00] rehears. And it just makes me happy that
[40:03] they're doing what they love to do and
[40:05] it makes me happy when they tell me
[40:07] they're happy me doing what I love to
[40:09] do.
[40:11] And uh we don't hang out as much as we
[40:14] used to, but we're always connected
[40:15] because of the energy connection. It's
[40:18] supporting one another. And the
[40:21] beautiful thing is when when we come
[40:23] together and uh not only then with other
[40:26] people too, it's like we have never
[40:28] left. So we're a person that in the
[40:32] midst of a situation, we become the
[40:35] character. But having awareness that
[40:38] we're all of those characters is what I
[40:41] express myself that I live in the art of
[40:44] the house of dreams of Jose.
[40:46] And anytime I can create any character
[40:48] and give the same message because I'm
[40:51] the same.
[40:53] >> It's beautiful.
[40:55] >> It's life.
[40:56] >> Yeah, it is. Man, you're you're amazing.
[40:59] Oh, it's just a viewer because you're
[41:00] amazing and everyone who here is amazing
[41:03] and and to remember that is honoring
[41:05] their true power. Forget manifesting
[41:08] things.
[41:09] >> Forget, you know, giving people
[41:10] spiritual names. It's giving them the
[41:13] love and support and their true selves
[41:15] will show up sooner or later.
[41:20] There's something I want to say and it's
[41:21] more out of curiosity. I just want to
[41:23] hear myself say it.
[41:27] It's like you were talking about
[41:30] well I forget exactly but you were
[41:33] talking about you know being in a cage
[41:35] in relationships and so many times we
[41:38] make the relationship more important
[41:40] than our personal freedom. We're so
[41:43] afraid to evolve and grow in a
[41:45] relationship because the relationship
[41:47] becomes the most important thing. It's
[41:49] like this gilded thing that we have to
[41:51] preserve the relationship even if we're
[41:53] suffering
[41:55] and we stay in suffering and we work and
[41:58] we grind away to try and fix something
[42:03] without growing in that in that and
[42:05] giving oursel the freedom. And I know
[42:07] you know I went through a a relationship
[42:10] where I didn't want to leave the
[42:12] relationship because the relationship
[42:13] was so important to me but I was
[42:16] sacrificing myself for that
[42:18] relationship.
[42:19] And I remember that relationship ended
[42:21] and you're like, you're free. And I I
[42:24] felt it just really that freedom, like
[42:28] real freedom.
[42:30] And it really made me understand so much
[42:32] of my life because
[42:34] when I was a child, and we've talked
[42:36] about this before, but I knew that there
[42:38] was a part of me that was real. It was
[42:40] just truth. And it was a part of me that
[42:42] was my mind, the thinking mind. And I
[42:45] didn't know which one was real. the
[42:47] force I feel inside of me or the one
[42:49] that knows my name, my address and all
[42:51] and all that information.
[42:53] And I convinced myself that the mind was
[42:56] the truth.
[42:58] >> And I I pledged loyalty to all that
[43:02] knowledge inside my head. And I tried my
[43:05] best to take care of myself, to grow, to
[43:08] evolve, to be the best Aaron that I can
[43:10] be, believing that that was the truth.
[43:16] And then I realized at a certain point
[43:18] it's not that wasn't real.
[43:21] And I had to let go of the part of me
[43:25] that's always trying to control
[43:28] that's always trying to fix it to figure
[43:31] it out to take care of life when life is
[43:35] perfectly capable of taking care of
[43:37] itself.
[43:39] And when we were talking about your act
[43:42] of surrender, it's like in a way we have
[43:44] to die and let go of that need to
[43:47] control ourselves.
[43:50] And in the letting go of trying to
[43:52] control ourselves, we realize there's
[43:54] something else in control that's always
[43:57] been in control that we've been
[43:58] suppressing, that we've been pushing
[44:00] away because we thought we were
[44:02] responsible for taking care of oursel. I
[44:05] thought I was responsible.
[44:07] And it was that idea that I need to be
[44:09] in charge
[44:12] that was unknowingly suppressing the
[44:14] truth of what I am. And you you might
[44:18] call it machismo in your life, but in my
[44:21] life, it's not necessarily machismo.
[44:25] It's it's just everything I've learned
[44:27] from everybody. It's just the way the
[44:28] dream works. And yes, the dream is is
[44:32] sort of filled by that machismo energy.
[44:37] But in my mind it was just control.
[44:40] Trying to control
[44:42] uh trying to be in control. And at a
[44:45] certain point you just have to let go.
[44:47] >> Yes.
[44:49] To give up the control.
[44:51] >> And in giving up the control you realize
[44:53] there's something else that's always
[44:55] been there patiently waiting.
[44:59] And it's not like thank God. It's just
[45:00] like okay I'm ready. Come join me. Okay.
[45:05] >> And in that surrender, it's like, oh,
[45:09] finally, thank God.
[45:11] I can feel that freedom. Just to be,
[45:15] like you said, energy, to be life, to
[45:18] feel life. And then from there, you know
[45:20] what you like, you know what you don't
[45:21] like, you know what you are attracted
[45:24] to, you know what you're not attracted
[45:25] to. And like you said so beautifully,
[45:27] you can go taste the dream and not get
[45:29] trapped in that dream anymore. Taste it.
[45:32] If you don't like it, you walk away.
[45:34] It's not personal.
[45:36] >> And and that's the power of love, of
[45:37] unconditional love. You let dreams be
[45:41] and unconditional love for yourself,
[45:42] knowing that, you know, having that
[45:44] experience, the life could have been
[45:46] over, but it continues.
[45:48] >> And sometimes we think that we're the
[45:50] person of importance that we have to be
[45:52] the ones to do this. But when we die,
[45:56] >> right,
[45:56] >> life will continue. Someone is going to
[45:58] take our place. So when we change
[46:01] dreams, we let that go of the need that
[46:04] we think that we are,
[46:06] >> you know, the ones chosen ones
[46:08] >> like wanting to be remembered.
[46:09] >> Exactly. But when you resurrect your
[46:11] dream, that's the purpose that you are
[46:14] there and learn everything you needed to
[46:16] learn. Like I wanted to go to India and
[46:19] to Tatiwakan and in my meditation says
[46:21] no, you take these seats and tour. you
[46:23] haven't toured like in more than 10
[46:25] years like this or more than that before
[46:29] I wrote before I wrote books before the
[46:31] book I used to tour like this so I'm
[46:34] going back to the basics and the
[46:37] beautiful thing it is about you know
[46:40] seeing yourself in situations
[46:42] >> like being open and without thinking
[46:45] you're just open and all of a sudden
[46:46] life happens like the other day I was
[46:48] watching a movie called city of angels
[46:50] is with Nicholas Cage and he's like an
[46:52] angel service and you know he fell in
[46:54] love and but he had a mission to be an
[46:56] angel and then at the end of the movie
[47:00] sorry to spoil it to whoever's you know
[47:01] listening but um at the end of the movie
[47:04] he decided to be human and he jumped
[47:07] into the ocean for the first time in a
[47:09] long long time and all the angels that
[47:14] were in the rooftop of Los Angeles
[47:15] looking at the sky they looked down at
[47:18] these angels that free himself from the
[47:21] service that they were taught to be.
[47:25] >> How many times do you feel you've done
[47:26] that in your life?
[47:27] >> Many times. And like I was the little
[47:30] bird again putting myself in the cage.
[47:32] Why? I was domesticated. It's like let's
[47:34] say a person that's been married for
[47:36] years and is not the person that was in
[47:39] control. It's the person that was in the
[47:40] cage. The one who kept them in the cage
[47:43] died.
[47:45] Now that person is looking for someone
[47:47] else
[47:48] >> to put him in the cage or put her in a
[47:51] cage because that's what they know.
[47:54] But when you realize you're not meant
[47:56] for a cage anymore because that can go
[47:58] in any moment. Especially when I lost my
[48:00] eyesight, I begin to just
[48:04] just enjoy everyone's eyes because
[48:07] before I used to look down on the floor,
[48:09] >> but when I got my eyesight back is when
[48:12] I begin looking into people's eyes and
[48:14] many people are uncomfortable with that
[48:16] because it's a real intimate connection,
[48:18] but it's normal. Why did we make it, you
[48:22] know, something bad? is because we felt
[48:25] we're less than.
[48:28] The moment that we begin honoring
[48:29] oursel, we're divine mother. We deserve
[48:32] to drink from the same cup of life that
[48:34] everybody else does.
[48:36] We deserve the beautiful life as well
[48:39] and forget about the past life or the
[48:40] future life. No, we have this life only.
[48:45] We really have this life
[48:47] for me. There's no other life. And it's
[48:50] the dream of the time of Gayo Jose
[48:56] Don Jose and Jose
[48:59] are different times like it's a time of
[49:02] bidomania
[49:04] it's a time of Mosart it's a time of
[49:08] Rome
[49:09] it's a time of ancient Egypt all of
[49:11] those are gone but it made such an
[49:15] impact of the way of life that they made
[49:18] ripples of wisdom them that they're
[49:20] still here because of the way they see
[49:23] life
[49:25] >> and with this humanity basis like uh
[49:28] Boom Bour said in one interview that he
[49:30] did he's one of my favorite musicians AI
[49:33] needs the artist AI needs the human to
[49:37] document their life so it can be put
[49:40] into the pool of automatic creation of a
[49:44] robotic and computer things but without
[49:46] the human experience that other thing
[49:49] cannot be. Why? Because the human
[49:51] created that.
[49:54] And this is the thing. We humans create
[49:57] such beauty and other humans put it down
[50:00] because they don't see the beautiful
[50:01] thing about it. I love music. I have to
[50:03] say this. And Bjork is another one of my
[50:06] favorite musicians. And she said one
[50:08] time when people were putting down
[50:09] electronical
[50:11] um instruments, computers and and
[50:14] keyboards when they were putting it
[50:15] down, he says, you know, these people
[50:18] are just talking back because, you know,
[50:20] they're comfortable in a certain way.
[50:22] They don't expand. But a computer, a
[50:24] keyboard, sound effects, they need a
[50:27] human vibration spirit to give them life
[50:30] because it is an extension of the art.
[50:33] Now, let's say I would just be shaman
[50:35] and not do anything else. I will not
[50:37] touch Hinduism or Christianity or any
[50:39] other tradition is self-importance.
[50:43] It's arrogant. It's disrespectful and
[50:47] it's like any other cult thinking that
[50:50] they're the chosen one and they have
[50:51] following. The truth is that all of that
[50:54] was invented to tackle the addiction of
[50:56] suffering. But at one point somebody saw
[50:58] the power in it that they corrupted to
[51:01] manipulate humanity
[51:04] >> because they manipulate themselves.
[51:06] Don't mean we no longer manipulate
[51:08] oursel or want to manipulate humanity.
[51:10] We're free and we're authentic
[51:14] because let's say someone gives us, you
[51:17] know, the dream of hell
[51:20] and we live in hell until we realize,
[51:22] hey, this is not my dream. Someone gave
[51:24] me this dream. I go back to the dream
[51:26] master. Here I give you the keys of
[51:29] hell. Hey, but you're the ruler of hell.
[51:32] Not anymore. I woke up. You, this is
[51:34] your creation. You gave it to me.
[51:37] Drop them if you don't take them. And
[51:39] you walk your dream.
[51:42] And I tell you, when you do that, you
[51:45] will meet people who support you, who
[51:46] admire you, who adore you, who support
[51:48] you, who really see you for who you are.
[51:52] And it's just life. a clean mirror so
[51:54] they can see themsel and feel
[51:56] comfortable. That's why I love animals
[51:59] because I mean them no harm. I can
[52:02] connect with them. Speak their own
[52:04] language and it's not Spanish or English
[52:07] is vibrational sounds. I begin mimicking
[52:10] them. But I have a feeling like creating
[52:13] music and singing. When you sing and
[52:15] create music or speaking words, it's a
[52:17] feeling behind it. the air that gives
[52:21] the instrument the flute or the
[52:23] harmonian life
[52:25] that we know what energy we're putting
[52:27] into it. That's the difference.
[52:30] And that's why, you know, when we met
[52:34] and uh we knew the vibration more than
[52:36] the words. We knew that we were good
[52:39] people and we met Louis is good people.
[52:41] Carla, you know, you marrying my cousin
[52:44] Carla and having a little baby with her
[52:46] is just beautiful because you two are
[52:48] the fre frequency of peaceful kind
[52:51] people and with a met and the band
[52:53] coming together it's it's just you know
[52:57] many people talk about what's the point
[52:58] of a band to make gold records to make
[53:00] this. No, for me, we already make it.
[53:03] It's having a friendship that supports
[53:05] one another, that inspires one another,
[53:08] that when you're tired, like I was, you
[53:10] know, when I arrived to Los Angeles last
[53:12] week, I didn't I hardly slept, but when
[53:14] I arrived, I was super tired. Even my
[53:15] eyes were red, you know. But when we got
[53:18] together, I got such happiness that we I
[53:21] arrived around 10:00 at Louis's house,
[53:23] and we played music until 3:00 in the
[53:25] morning because it was just magic. I was
[53:29] enjoying life like it's the last moment.
[53:33] If it was the last thing that I will
[53:34] ever do, well, I lived it good. But the
[53:36] beautiful thing is the next day I woke
[53:38] up and I rested. Thank God.
[53:41] >> But you know, I did what I wanted to do
[53:43] in that moment.
[53:46] >> It's a beautiful thing about just being
[53:48] an artist in general.
[53:50] And like you say, um, like you said,
[53:53] imagine today's your last day. What
[53:54] would you do with that day? And it
[53:55] really puts things into perspective.
[53:58] Don't waste your time every single day.
[54:01] And there's something beautiful about
[54:04] um just the, you know, you say
[54:08] friendship
[54:10] and
[54:12] the the creation of art, like the
[54:15] feeling of creating art is so
[54:17] satisfying. The sensation, like you
[54:20] said, you put the air into the
[54:21] instrument. It's like whatever you're
[54:22] doing, whether you're painting, whether
[54:24] you're playing music, whether you're
[54:26] speaking, it's like there's some force
[54:28] that's passing through you. And it feels
[54:31] so exhilarating to express yourself. And
[54:34] when you do that with other people,
[54:36] simultaneously, you're you're
[54:38] experiencing other people expressing
[54:39] themsel while you're expressing
[54:41] yourself. It's magic. It's magic to feel
[54:44] that sense of freedom with friends.
[54:46] There's nothing like it.
[54:47] >> Yes.
[54:48] >> And you know, Yes. You know, we can we
[54:52] can put our attention on making an album
[54:54] or making a work of art or what's this
[54:56] painting going to look like when it's
[54:57] over. It doesn't matter. What matters is
[55:00] the experience of creating it.
[55:02] >> Yes.
[55:02] >> And then when it's finished,
[55:05] you can feel all the love that went into
[55:08] the creation of a painting and creation
[55:10] creation of a song. You think about
[55:13] being on stage and and talking. You feel
[55:15] about meeting a woman for the first time
[55:17] and what that first kiss feels like.
[55:20] It's not the thing, it's the experience
[55:24] of the magic of creation that's the most
[55:28] amazing part
[55:29] >> of art. And so us getting together and
[55:33] just creating whatever
[55:36] amazing thing is is being birthed.
[55:40] It's the experience of it that's it's
[55:42] like my favorite part is like you said
[55:44] just the feeling of being around each
[55:46] other
[55:47] >> and seeing the smile on your face on
[55:49] Louis's face on Ahmed's face like the
[55:52] like the the Cheshshire grin of just
[55:54] like this is amazing this feels so good
[55:57] and it's like being a child and being so
[56:01] excited to be free to paint with words
[56:05] or paint with sound or paint with actual
[56:08] paint whatever it
[56:10] It's the expression to not be afraid
[56:13] just to express yourself in whatever
[56:15] way. And that's I think Luis was talking
[56:17] about this too,
[56:19] what it feels like to have friends that
[56:21] just let you
[56:23] >> be free to be yourself. And I don't want
[56:25] to speak for Luis because he can say it
[56:27] in his own way, but for me
[56:30] to feel friends that give you the
[56:32] permission just to be yourself, then it
[56:36] invites you. Any resistance you feel you
[56:38] know is you.
[56:39] >> If there's any resistance you know it's
[56:41] not from our friends it's from inside.
[56:44] >> And then it's like okay how do you let
[56:46] go of this resistance and then you just
[56:48] start jumping and dancing or playing or
[56:51] just you just let go and all of a sudden
[56:54] >> you feel the freedom to like be that
[56:57] child.
[56:57] >> Yes.
[56:58] >> You know
[56:58] >> and and and in that moment we become a
[57:00] tribe
[57:01] >> because it's a safety zone. It's a tribe
[57:04] and something beautiful about
[57:06] experiences
[57:07] especially like sometimes we wait for
[57:09] one experience like you said like you
[57:11] taught me you know if that experience
[57:13] just happens one night
[57:15] something you've been waiting for just
[57:16] happens one night and the next day it's
[57:19] over you have that one night you have
[57:22] that one day that you were blessed by
[57:24] life
[57:25] >> that life blessed you to have that
[57:27] moment of life
[57:29] now you can go on forward
[57:31] >> because nothing is forever ever nothing
[57:34] belongs to us. But just have that
[57:36] connection inspire our hearts to go even
[57:39] deeper following our inspiration
[57:42] and we will meet many characters in our
[57:45] life that they build our heart that help
[57:49] us build our heart. Like I say right now
[57:52] in these days I've been like almost five
[57:54] years single since you know I I got
[57:56] divorced and I'm not looking for anybody
[57:59] but I can sincerely say that my puppy
[58:02] Yogi got the best version of myself
[58:05] because I feel the best version of
[58:07] myself right now and I really don't need
[58:09] anybody.
[58:11] I'm content.
[58:13] And in saying this, knowing that love
[58:19] is not about having somebody
[58:22] or you know or group of friends or
[58:25] anything. Love is really an inside
[58:29] source that begins opening up you and
[58:34] you become a garden and then you attract
[58:38] other gardens and you live in harmony.
[58:40] If it's friendship, peacefulness, if
[58:43] it's relationships, whatever it is, but
[58:45] you begin respecting that everybody has
[58:48] their own dream.
[58:50] And the beautiful thing it is when the
[58:52] moment happens, it's going to happen. If
[58:54] I start planning the relationship that
[58:56] I'm going to have right now, I'm not
[58:58] going to look at the person that I'm
[59:00] going to be in a relationship with next
[59:02] because I'm expecting someone.
[59:05] I'm already controlling the someone that
[59:06] I haven't met.
[59:10] But when you are open, you meet
[59:14] authenticity,
[59:16] you know, like a group of friends, it's
[59:18] magical.
[59:20] And you know, I can I can't wait for
[59:22] next year because next year,
[59:26] you know, I'm not saying this. I I think
[59:29] I'm stepping ahead of myself, but uh I
[59:32] know we're going to do something magical
[59:33] and share this music that we have to
[59:36] vision with the world.
[59:37] >> Yeah. because it's it's in the womb.
[59:41] >> Well, yeah. It's not something we want
[59:43] to rush either. It's something that
[59:45] >> we're just taking our time, which is the
[59:47] most beautiful thing about it. So many
[59:49] times
[59:50] >> we want to like jump into something
[59:51] right away and just go for it and go for
[59:53] it and go for it. But I think there's
[59:55] something to be said about really
[59:58] savoring and and doing something
[1:00:02] um and taking our time.
[1:00:05] And uh I know my little boy is calling
[1:00:07] me, but
[1:00:08] >> you know something we've we've talked
[1:00:11] about this a couple times, but you
[1:00:13] you've mentioned
[1:00:15] the practice of living today like it's
[1:00:18] the last day.
[1:00:20] And many times it becomes like a
[1:00:23] conceptual thing until it becomes
[1:00:26] experiential where you really say,
[1:00:28] "Okay, I'm what if today is your last
[1:00:31] day?" And you really start to feel it
[1:00:33] like, "Oh, wow. Um, this could be my
[1:00:37] last day. Do I really want to be doing
[1:00:40] like spending my energy this way?" And
[1:00:43] you start to prioritize. Oh, wow. I want
[1:00:45] to spend my time with my boy.
[1:00:47] >> Yes.
[1:00:48] >> In in such a a special way to really
[1:00:52] give him, like you said, the best of
[1:00:54] myself. To give my wife Carla the best
[1:00:57] of myself. to give my dad, my mom, my
[1:01:00] sisters, my friends, the world, the best
[1:01:03] of myself today. And if I wake up
[1:01:05] tomorrow, it just continues. But why
[1:01:08] waste a single moment
[1:01:11] uh giving like creating something that
[1:01:15] doesn't feel genuine or sincere? Why why
[1:01:17] pretend? Why lie? Why
[1:01:20] >> uh
[1:01:21] why put energy creating something that
[1:01:23] we don't even want that we're going to
[1:01:26] have to change our mind anyway? create
[1:01:28] something that we know we're going to
[1:01:30] love doing. Because when we put love and
[1:01:33] passion and inspiration to what we're
[1:01:35] creating today, then that just builds
[1:01:38] and tomorrow we wake up excited to
[1:01:39] continue.
[1:01:40] >> Yes.
[1:01:40] >> Excited to continue. And it's such a
[1:01:42] beautiful way of looking at life and
[1:01:45] really focuses attention on things that
[1:01:48] aren't working. And instead of like
[1:01:50] sweeping it under a rug or being
[1:01:51] resistant, it's like, okay, if I died
[1:01:54] today, this is not going to be a problem
[1:01:56] tomorrow because I won't exist. So why
[1:01:59] be afraid to try and transform it today?
[1:02:02] And you know this there's something
[1:02:03] powerful about um living like it's your
[1:02:06] last day because I remember at the
[1:02:09] beginning I'm doing this this training.
[1:02:11] I'm like oh yeah sure you know like you
[1:02:14] know you know yeah sure but the more I
[1:02:16] started doing it I started beify how I
[1:02:18] wasted my time.
[1:02:19] >> I have no tolerance to talk drama
[1:02:22] poisonous things debate. I have no time
[1:02:25] for that. I just want to enjoy every
[1:02:26] moment that is powerful
[1:02:30] in inspiration to create to live to
[1:02:33] experience and there's fear and there's
[1:02:38] nervous systems and when I feel like
[1:02:41] nervous system that it comes into little
[1:02:44] fear I'm feeling something that I need
[1:02:46] to walk above water that I need to walk
[1:02:49] above that emotion because water for me
[1:02:51] is emotion and when I walk through that
[1:02:53] emotion I become being stronger to
[1:02:55] honoring that part of me that is serves
[1:02:58] divine mother
[1:02:59] >> and knowing that everything is perfect
[1:03:01] and especially when I have experience
[1:03:04] with friends family I say okay I can um
[1:03:08] I can talk and I can you know share and
[1:03:12] we're in communication we're in
[1:03:13] agreement I'm not going to hold
[1:03:15] something you know that needs to be
[1:03:17] talked to and this is something that I
[1:03:19] really admire you and my cousin Carla
[1:03:23] you know when when you both were ready
[1:03:25] to have a child. You were in Tiwakan and
[1:03:27] I always, you know, smile about this.
[1:03:30] You went to the doctor to see, you know,
[1:03:32] to prepare and you were already
[1:03:34] pregnant, you know, and that's the
[1:03:36] beautiful thing and sometimes, you know,
[1:03:38] we're having a beautiful conversation
[1:03:40] right now, but life happens. We've seen
[1:03:42] the signals and for me the signals that
[1:03:45] we had a beautiful conversation right
[1:03:46] now. I'm so grateful. But my nephew is
[1:03:50] calling
[1:03:51] >> and for his little world, he means the
[1:03:53] world when you answer.
[1:03:55] >> Yeah. So
[1:03:56] >> he basically said, "I really miss you."
[1:03:59] >> He said, "Uh, I miss you, daddy."
[1:04:02] >> So I'll give him a call and see how he's
[1:04:04] doing.
[1:04:05] >> You know, it's always a pleasure to talk
[1:04:06] to you. I mean,
[1:04:07] >> same, brother.
[1:04:08] >> We do this all the time, like with
[1:04:09] coffee or with uh, you know, other
[1:04:11] things, but it's
[1:04:13] >> it's a pleasure to be able to share it.
[1:04:15] Well, it's an honor to be an ally and
[1:04:18] it's honor to serve the same boss
[1:04:20] >> and it's an honor to create and to have
[1:04:23] this beautiful friendship
[1:04:24] >> and you know
[1:04:26] >> likewise
[1:04:26] >> it's it's part of art. You find your,
[1:04:30] you know, your tribe and you just go
[1:04:33] forward and
[1:04:34] >> Yeah.
[1:04:34] >> And I am so excited for the love and
[1:04:37] wisdom we're going to share in the house
[1:04:40] of the art of dreams tour.
[1:04:42] >> Thank you, brother, for
[1:04:43] >> you got it. Thank you.